SOPRANOS Season 6: Season Finally!!!.. Episode 12: "KAISHA" (2 Viewers)

[Everlasting Gobstopper]

Well, we saw that Vito had found a new life for himself, in a place where his lifestyle was accepted, where he could be with a man he loves, living a simpler life and doing a lot of hard work. Ultimately, though, he chose the very real possibility of being brutally killed instead of putting in hard work, on the slim chance that he would be able to go back to his life of luxury and excess.

 

[Alex-C]

True, Mark.
I just thought that the possibility was more of a inevitability (is that a word? ). Like when he returned, I knew he was a goner, plain and simple.
Actually, when he killed mr park and mail, I knew it was over for Vito.

But I understand it worked well as a device to bring Phil in as a threat, among other things to the N.J. boys.

 

[Quentin]

I'm sorry...you wasted God knows how much screen time devoted to 'the secret life of Vito', just to turn him into a plot device to illustrate how Phil and Tony are coming to odds??

Hmmmm...that's just garbage writing.

 

[Jeremiah]

True, but to me, that whole story is a waste of time, sure as hell not worth the few hours they spent on it. The writers could of found a better way of bringing Phil and Tony to a war.

I agree Quentin.

 

[Brent M]

Yeah, I got a kick out of that. Nothing like a stripper going down on T to show that he's indeed "back".

 

[Brent M]

Good call on the Goodfellas similarity. The one that caught me last night was how the beating of Vito kinda resembled the beatings of Pesci and his brother(played by Frank Vincent conincidentally) at the end of Casino.

 

[Dave Scarpa]

I don't loathe the Johnny Cakes Storyline like some around here but I agree we could've actually spent that time on Meadow's or AJ's Storyline, but alot hate them around here as well.

 

[Don Giro]

IIRC, Frank Vincent wasn't Joe Pesci's brother in Casino. Frank Vincent held Joe Pesci down while Pesci's brother was beaten. Frank Vincent got beaten, stabbed, and shot when he played Billy Batts in GoodFellas.

 

[Holadem]

What was the meaning of cutting between a sleepless Carm, and a sleepless Phil, before cutting back to Paris the next day? Especially since there would have been next to no overlap due to the time difference.

Favorite line: "I loved him like a brother-in-law" .

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[Philip Hamm]

It was "I loved him like a brother-in-law". He was a cousin-in-law I believe.

 

[JonZ]

Meadow has only been a 1/2 dozen scenes all season.

 

[Holadem]

That's fine. She is awesome, but I can't stand her man.

Re: Tony & AJ

I could be wrong, but I read the scene as AJ's introduction to the business? I thought Tony had finally come to term with the fact that he has to take his son under his wing, so he is starting him off at a probably legit job, but where he can keep an eye on him, perhaps with opporunity for advancement? He treated him like a subordinate who is also family, that's what strikes me the most in that scene. It was reminiscent of a similar scene with Chris at the hospital, before he headed to rehab.

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[Qui-Gon John]

Anyone gonna update the thread title, we're about 2 weeks behind.

 

[Jeff Gatie]

In my opinion, I don't think so. If he were going to do that, he would have gotten him one of the "no show" jobs. Sounded to me like AJ was really going to have to work hard lugging concrete in a wheelbarrow, not a typical job for a Mafia Don's son. I though it was more Tony showing him responsibility and the consequences of flunking out of school, rather than an intro to the life.

 

[Matt Stone]

Totally agree.

 

[Holadem]

Geez, fine! .

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[Steven Simon]

Thread title updated guys... Sorry for delay...

 

[Alex-C]

Holadem, that may still happen.
I give A.J. about a 1 in 50 chance of straightening out. It's like that quote in Seinfeld about ending relationships, its like pushing over a coke machine (no not Christopher), you can't tip it over in one push, you have to rock it a few times. A.J. still needs to be rocked around a few times before he falls on his face.

 

[Holadem]

What exactly is a "no show" job?

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[Allen Hirsch]

I believe it's what used to be called "featherbedding". The labor unions (sometimes mob-connected) negotiate a certain number of jobs on a job site, in excess of what it really needed by the contractors to accomplish the job. The contractors just price that into the job to keep labor peace (and mob peace), since it's governemnt-funded projects, in many cases.

Those "extra jobs" are "no show" jobs - they get paid for not even showing up. Remember last season, the extra mob guys including Vito who just sat around at the site where Finn was working? I think those guys sitting in lawn chairs effectively had "no show" jobs - b/c they had no work to do.