Sony's "16:9 Enhanced": Real benefit, or marketing hype?

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  1. JJR512

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    I've been doing some research in preparation for selecting my next television set. It's going to be a flat-screen, 27" or less, most likely (due to affordability). So I was looking through the Crutchfield catalog and read the write-up for the Sony FD Trinitron Wega 27", model KV-27FV300. In the description, it says this:
     
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    "We're sorry, but we can't find the HomePage you've requested. It's possible that:" blah blah blah...is that the right address?

    Was just kind of hoping for a simple answer...maybe yes/no, maybe a little bit about how big of a difference there is, if any, etc.
     
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    As simple as possible.

    YES it is a benefit.

    It allows anamorphic DVD's to be viewed at full resolution.

    This makes the picture more detailed, and on my 36" Wega at 11 feet, when the 16:9 enhanced is on I can not see the horizontal scan lines, the picture is film like. Where as when I am watching a non-anamorphic DVD's the scan lines are visable and distracting. It almost appears as if there are black lines drawn horizontally across the picture (this is the void from line to line.)
     
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    Yes - it's a real benefit, though I'm not sure how much it will be noticeable on a 27" set.
     
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    My 'upstairs' set is a 27" with squeeze mode, and it makes a big difference.

    On rear projectors, the squeeze mode is in fact how the "16:9" sets make the image; if you open up the set and look at the CRTs you will see they are all 4:3!
     
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    It makes a huge difference on a 27-inch set!

    I routinely go into my Toshiba CZ27V51 bedroom set's service menu in order to "squeeze" the scanning-line raster. In addition to being able to display 16:9-encoded DVDs at their full 480-line resolution (instead of downverted via the player's downconversion routine), the scanning lines are closer together. This yields the filmlike look--on some sets looking almost as good as progressive scanning.

    The descriptive/promotional copy in the Crutchfield catalog is not completely accurate in explaining how the function works, though.

    If purchasing a 4:3 set, only consider ones with a 16:9 mode. (It's the only reason to buy an FV- or FS-series WEGA.)
     
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    Between the two (FS or FV), which is the better line?

    I was at Best Buy earlier today and saw the KV-24FS100 for ~$378. I thought that seemed like a decent price. I didn't have time to look around more, but looked on their website, and saw the 27" model, the KV-27FS100, for ~$521. But the Crutchfield catalog lists the KV27FV300 at $750. I assume a $750 TV is better than a $521 TV in the same size from the same brand. So I assume the FV series is better than the FS series. But what's the difference? I can't really tell. Sony's website doesn't list the KV-27FS100, so I can't compare it. It lists a KV-27FS13, though, but that model isn't available at Best Buy (or through Crutchfield).

    Maybe it would just be better if I asked for a recommendation on a TV...something ~$750 or less. I guess it has to have the 16:9 Enhanced feature. The bigger the screen, the better, of course, and it must be flat. I would prefer Sony.
     
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    JustinR, as far as 32" tv's that are flat screen, and do the squeeze, you have two choices. Sony or JVC, JVC at $800 or the Sony at $900, although you can probably talk them down a little in price for both. As far as the difference between FS and FV on the Sony, FV autodetects an anamorphic picture and automatically squeezes, the FS you have to enable the squeeze yourself. Some other things like PIP I think and a little different speakers and such. I looked at the 32" JVC this weekend and was very impressed. Quickly compared it to the equivilant Sony and I think I liked the JVC better. Just my opinion though.

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    Unfortunately, that $900 is going to be more than I can reasonably afford, even if they do take a bit off. (I'm doubting a retail store would take $150 off, which is needed to hit my goal of $750 or less.)

    Right now I think I'm going to try for the KV27FV300, unless anyone can give me a good reason not to (coupled with a better alternate suggestion). I just wish Best Buy carried these in the store; I hate to buy something like this online, in case I need to return it for any reason.
     
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    Here's your good reason: Sears has last year's 32" Sony Wega (32fs13) on clearance for $750. If you don't mind last year's chassis and using the menu to change to 16:9 enhanced, this is the perfect TV for you.
     
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    I think getting an extra 5" just might make using the menu a little more tolerable. [​IMG] [​IMG] The old chassis doesn't matter to me; it looks fine. As long as the silver color matches the silver color of the Sony SLV-N88 VCR I bought today and the DVP-NS715P DVD player I'll be getting soon and the STR-DE985 receiver I'll be getting after that. Whew! [​IMG]
    That all together is a decent budget-level system, isn't it?
     
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    I noticed Circuit City also have last years sony on sale, (still $799 though), you might be able to talk them down some more. You do realize you won't be able to use the 715P in progressive scan with this tv, right? Just making sure you know this. Good luck. [​IMG]
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    Yeah, I understand about that part. But I figure...the player is only an extra $50 over Sony's next best non-progressive player, and the color (of the 715P) matches the VCR I just got and the TV I'll be getting and probably the receiver I'll be getting, too, and if I am able to step up a progressive-capable display in the next few years, I'll have a player to go with it right away, without having to also buy a new player at the same time as the new display. So it's all good! [​IMG]
     
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    Keep us posted on your progress, Justin. When the time comes to start screening DVDs in their correct output mode, come here with any questions!
     
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    *Sigh*...the stumbling block isn't just money, it's also my fiance. You see, the money is there. But she's got this crazy notion that it's more important to buy the kid diapers... [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Hehehe, we just had our second. [​IMG] Get one out of diapers and the other one started. I can't even remember back when a trip to the store didn't include diapers and wipes. Keep us informed on which you decide on. I figured you knew about the progressive thing, just checking. I think we are going to pick up the 32" JVC this weekend, I have my wife just on the verge of agreeing. Keep your fingers crossed.
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    You could probably get Circuit City to price match the Sears price. The CC unit would also have a Sony factory warranty while the Sears unit does not.(only Sears in house warranty) This might not make a difference to you but some people get a little peeved when they find that Sony or one of its authorized servicers can't help you with a problem on a new set.
     
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    If you've got a Circuit City in your area, you might want to look there for last year's Sony KV27-FS13. That's the TV I've got, and it does the squeeze. It looks great! While I've heard that this year's model is nice, too, I mention last year's model because you said you're on a budget. While I got my TV at Best Buy, I know that Circuit City had the same TV about a month ago for around $560 or so.
     

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