Seth_L
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My DA5ES does not have an EX logo on it. It does have a DTS-ES logo and a DPL II logo on it however.
Seth
Seth
I'm confused about all the talk of bits. Both units are listed as "96/24 capable" but DTS 96/24 is only on the 4esThe 5ES is capable of playing back a stereo (2-channel) PCM 96 kHz, 24 bit signal that is input through a digital input. It is not capable of decoding a dts 96/24 signal at 96 kHz and 24 bit resolution. It will decode it though, because dts has made sure that the new format is backward compatible. So the 5ES will decode it at 48 kHz, 24 bit, just like all other dts decoders that do not support dts 96/24.
The 4ES can also play back a 96/24 PCM signal, and in addition, it will decode the new dts 96/24 format at full 96 kHz, 24 bit resolution. Whether this makes and audible difference is debatable.
Note that the manual of the 5ES states explicitly that it will downsample a 96 kHz signal to 48 kHz if a multi-channel soundfield (including DPL, dts NEO:6, DPL-II, Digital Concert Hall, Cinema Studio EX, etc.) is turned on. It will process the signal at 96 kHz only in 2-channel mode. I do not know whether the 4ES has the same limitation, but it possibly does not, due to its support of the dts 96/24 multi-channel format.
(Thanks for the correction on the link; I've updated my previous post.)
I bought a 5ES last year to replace my V444es and needless to say the 5ES went back in a week. It was a pretty steep downgrade.I don't agree with this. I have used the V444es and now DA5es. If your only using DD, DTS, and CS, you probably won't notice much of a difference IMO, but the 5es is noticably quieter.
No 5ES I have ever seen has the DD-EX emblem on it. Check out the pics of the 5ES at Crutchfield and compare that to those of the 4ES which proudly displays the DD-EX logo, in addition to dts-ES and 96/24. Of course it is entirely possible that they have updated the front panel silkscreening since the time that those pictures were taken, so more recently produced units may have that logo. The one in my local Sony Store's showroom does not.
Well, you are incorrect about DA5ES because as shown below...
I wasn't wrong about that (I really hadn't seen one), but I couldn't any longer make the same statement now that I have seen one.
Greg--don't forget to mention that the 4ES also has "7CH Amplifier" on the front panel!He shouldn't forget that his 4ES also should have a sticker that says "Now with more hiss than the DA5ES."
Seth
He shouldn't forget that his 4ES also should have a sticker that says "Now with more hiss than the DA5ES."What do you base that on?
Odd, my DA5ES, does not have the -EX on the end Digital.That is odd! When do you buy yours and what is the serial number? Maybe the later model were upgraded to newer decoders.
I bought mine in may of 2002.
Did you see Greg's thread Aaron?
Yes, I certainly did, and I believe that I also made the comment there that Greg did not compare the 4ES to the 5ES. Nor did anyone else in there. I see no reason to believe that the 5ES is any quieter than the 4ES based on anything that I read there or anywhere else in this forum. If anything, the 4ES should be quieter because of its higher precision DSPs and new gain control circuitry. (Don't try to point me to Audioholics' review of the 4ES... it is so full of gross technical errors - still uncorrected I might add - that it is utterly useless).
Well Aaron, my DA5ES has less hiss than Greg does in his DA4ESIt really depends on the speakers too. Greg has amazingly efficient Klipsch speakers that will reproduce all input (hiss too) at around 10 dB louder than a "typical" speaker (~98 dB vs. ~88 dB efficiency). So if you are noticing the hiss 10 dB higher on the volume dial, that may be why. Anyway, you are likely right... both receivers are very quiet and are only amplifying input hiss and/or A/D converter quantisation noise (unavoidable in either case).