Sony ES press release on all new digital ES receivers.

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  1. Mike Up

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    The link is here.

    Like the first solid state amps and the first CD players, I can only image degraded performance with this new technology. I'm going to let the technology mature before I jump in.

    Here's a picture.

    Happy listening.
     
  2. AaronBatiuk

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    I had hoped that those new receivers with digital amplifiers would have i.Link (a.k.a. FireWire, a.k.a. IEEE1394) to transfer SACD or DVD-A digitally. With the exception of the highest priced model, the 9000ES, they do not. After following the link that Mike posted, click on the "Text" link after Download Options in the uppper right corner. This will allow you to download a specification sheet for the 5000ES, 3000ES, and DB2000.

    In addition to the lack of i.Link, they have no pre-outs, no OP Processing (Optimum Preamplification Processing - used on the 4ES and 7ES to increase SNR by 10 dB according to Sony). They also have a crippled Equaliser (Mid band on the center only, not the front or surround), and only the 5000ES can be upgraded via RS232 (the others can be controlled via RS232 for home-integration/automation installations).

    On the plus side, they have video upconversion to both S-video and Component (5000 and 3000 only), Analog Bass management (5000 and 3000 only), and the 5000 once again has a 2-way LCD remote (model RMLJ312).

    170 W per channel into 7 channels is very impressive.

    Before the nay-sayers come in saying that 1190W in a receiver isn't possible, note that the digital amplifiers used the these receivers are nearly 100 % efficient, compared to conventional amplifiers (Class AB) which are usually less than 30% efficient, and never more than about 60% efficient for audio signals. This allows a digital amplifier with a power supply of a certain capability to put out considerably more power than an analog one with the same power supply.
     
  3. Grant B

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    Looks like they got out seperates, too bad. I'm sticking with my 9000ES.
     
  4. Seth_L

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    I wouldn't really expect pre-outs with a digital amplifier stage. You don't need D/A convertors for each channel prior to the digital amplifiers, so there's no reason to include them in the design. I realize this is inconvienent for some people, but it lowers the cost to other people who will never use the feature.

    I imagine that soon recievers will have a special digital cables for connecting to external digital amps.

    Seth
     
  5. Craig_Kg

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    The SMaster HTiBs have been out for a while but I guess sound quality is hard to judge from the dinky speakers in those.

    Lack of preouts is just plain stupid [​IMG]
     
  6. LanceJ

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    For a Sony product, that sure isn't very attractive.

    As far as digital amps are concerned, mass manufacturers probably LOVE them: no more very expensive and heavy high-power transformers; and no more big, heavy & expensive-to-machine high-capacity metal heatsinks. These two items are two of the most expensive components in a receiver. and they add a lot to one of the component's "hidden" costs: shipping.

    For example, the cost of the power transformer (for repair purposes, not the manufacturer's cost) for my $350 (retail) Technics SA-DA8 is $164.14! From this Panasonic parts finder page (this is how I ordered the better remote from the SA-DA10 model)

    So I'm sure the corporate bean counters are doing that thing Mr. Burns does with his fingers when they hear about digital amps: "EXXXXCELENT........"

    LJ
     
  7. Seth_L

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    Yeah, it's all about saving money. That's why they've only put digital amps in their most expensive receivers.

    It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that that digital amps are supposed to sound better than analog amps. Conventional Class AB amps have both even and odd order harmonic distorion. Tube amps are supposedly mostly odd order. The story is that digital amps inherently have neither.

    Seth
     
  8. Seth_L

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    Ok, so I had it backwards.

    Tube amps: Mostly even order distortion
    A/B Transistors: Even and odd order distortion
    Digital amps: supposedly neither

    I'm supposed to be trying out a 7 channel digital amp soon, so I'll let you know if it's all true.

    Seth
     
  9. Craig_Kg

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    Are the power supplies in these receivers digital or only the output stages?
     
  10. Seth_L

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    I highly doubt Sony would put a switch mode power supply in a reciever, but you never know.

    Seth
     
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    What about the new DA-9000ES to be introduced in Europe? It too is advertised as a digital amplifier but has 7.1 pre-ous.


    Follow this thread, including the Word file that has specs on the new amp in a tabular format:

    http://pub106.ezboard.com/faussiedvd...tart=1&stop=20
     
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    I don't know I'd call that their cheapest reciever of all. I'd call it their smallest reciever of all.

    Seth
     
  14. Ian Montgomerie

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    They sell combo boxes with DVD player, receiver, and speakers for as little as 500 dollars. The receiver part is a minority of that cost.
     

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