Some Common Ground in Hi-Rez Discussions

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  1. Lee Scoggins

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    Friends,

    I seems we have had some very good discussions on the viability of both high resolution formats in recent weeks. I think it is now pointless to argue about whether either format will succeed. I think more value will be added in discussing musical content and reporting events, positive or negative, that impact either format.

    We seem to agree on the following:

    1) Hybrids are critical for SACD success.

    2) DVDA appeal is geared toward existing DVD players and the emergence of surround sound (existing 5.1 setups, etc.). Early title selection is particularly strong in pop/rock titles.

    3) SACD appeal is geared toward the high end community, jazz and classical music fans, and those with an existing CD player.

    4) Neither format support group is winning any marketing awards, and there are numerous reports that each format is largely unknown by vast amounts of retail salestaff.

    5) Title selection is getting better in both formats.

    6) Hardware prices are getting lower in both formats.

    7) There are some very enthusiastic fans of each format.

    8) Most agree that high resolution formats offer superior, if not vastly superior, sound quality to existing redbook.

    I would like to know if you agree with these statements and if you think it would be healthier to focus on the music now. I don't want to restrict any one's freedom to discuss anything of course, just suggesting that in many areas we have reached a conclusion to disagree.

    I am trying to think what would be more valuable for the forum and it seems getting the basic information out about each format, good and bad, has been done in some detail, but lots remain to be done in, say, offering music reviews.

    Does this make sense?

    Do you agree or disagree?
     
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    I don't agree with #2 and 3. Universal players make those points moot. The Stones are SACD after all...
    I also think that universal players make discussions of the sort: "Is DVD-A or SACD better? Which would you choose?" pointless. I choose: both.
    But all the others look good.
    More software, at better prices is what I want! [​IMG]
     
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    Lee, excellent post. Thanks for doing this. You said:
     
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    Gots another marketing blunder for y'all.

    Just out that Rhino is going to remaster (again; Atlantic did it a few years ago) the 1st 4 Yes albums. Extra tracks and goodies.

    But when will we see that kind of stuff on DVD-A or SACD?

    Same-o: The 5 Police lps are coming on SACD. But what about the box set with all the extra tracks? I want the extras more than I want the improvement in quality from CD to SACD/DVD-A.

    Remember when CD 1st came out? And a lot of CDs had extra tracks on them to "pull" consumers over? Seems like DVD-A and SACD are doing exactly the opposite.

    One last one. Peter Gabriel's Up is either out now or soon to be on SACD. If I had known that when I bought the CD (within the 1st 2 weeks of it coming out), I would have waited. But now that I have the CD, I absolutely refuse to put out another $15 or whatever to buy it again.

    CD has been "good enough" for me for the last 16, 17 years. I made the mistake when CD 1st came out of replacing up to 1/2 of my lp collection because I bought into the "digital sound forever" propaganda. Ain't going to do that again even if SACD/DVD-A is better. And for non-critical listening, not enough of a difference there for me to go replacing CDs of stuff I already have.
     
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    Kevin, I'm still waiting for Warner to issue a remastered CD of Yes 90125. I won't even worry about DVD-Audio until a remastered CD is issued. [​IMG]
    I'll take any Police on SACD. No complaints here. [​IMG]
    You said:
     
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    Thanks for the replies guys!
    I saw some encouraging signs at Best Buy yesterday. All of the Verve releases are at $15.99.
    At Tower as well yesterday, I saw a good number of SACDs at $14.99 and that was current titles.
    As with anything, as production capacity expands, costs will go down, and ultimately retail prices.
    [​IMG]
     
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    I love both formats and hate to see the bickering that goes on at Audio Asylum.

    As long as both formats produce music that I like, I will buy both formats.

    Yes it would be better if there was just one Hi-Rez format but thats not going to happen for awhile it seems.
     
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