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[trajan007]

Saw HOW THE WEST WAS WON for the first time in smilebox and was very impressed. Too bad we don't have smilebox versions of 2001--MAD WORLD--GRAND PRIX--KHARTOUM--PATTON.

 

[Lord Dalek]

Considering all those films were rectified as opposed to native Cinerama (and Patton isn't Cinerama at all), there's no point in doing Smilebox transfers of them.

 

[trajan007]

Patton was D-150 on a curved screen and the others were single lens Cinerama. I am no expert on the subject,but the curved screen effect would be interesting to see. I guess I need to get a curved screen TV [not really]

 

[Lord Dalek]

Patton was D-150 on a curved screen and the others were single lens Cinerama.

There is no such thing as "single lens Cinerama". Those movies (except for Patton which was actually in a rebranded Todd-AO but without the wide-angle lens designed to make use of its curve) were all shot Super Panavision 70 flat or Ultra Panavision anamorphic with the prints being either hard rectified or soft in the projector. Since the curve wasn't a factor in the filmmaking process the image is just distorted for the sake of distortion.

 

[Mark-P]

Patton was D-150 on a curved screen and the others were single lens Cinerama. I am no expert on the subject,but the curved screen effect would be interesting to see. I guess I need to get a curved screen TV [not really]

Lord Dalek is correct. It's a Mad(X4) World and Khartoum were shot in Ultra Panavision 70, 2001 and Grand Prix were shot it Super Panavision 70, and Patton was Super Panavision 70 with a D150 lens for selected scenes. Special rectified prints were created for all these films to be shown in the Cinerama venue, but that is not how they were created.

 

[trajan007]

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Johnny Angell]

Rectified?

 

[John Morgan]

Rectified?

And Clarified.

 

[Will Krupp]

Rectified?

Explained here:
http://widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/wingcr6.htm

 

[john a hunter]

Patton was Super Panavision 70 with a D150 lens for selected scenes. ]
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The cameras used were the same as used for Todd AO-Mitchells not Panavison.
Further from detailed coverage of the filming on Patton, D150 lenses were used through out save for the famous wide angle which only became available near the end of filming.
Robert Harris, I think referred to these lenses as some of the finest glass ever used on a camera so lets give credit where it is due and not to Panavision. They had nothing to do with the photography on Patton.

 

[Paul Rossen]

The cameras used were the same as used for Todd AO-Mitchells not Panavison.
Further from detailed coverage of the filming on Patton, D150 lenses were used through out save for the famous wide angle which only became available near the end of filming.
Robert Harris, I think referred to these lenses as some of the finest glass ever used on a camera so lets give credit where it is due and not to Panavision. They had nothing to do with the photography on Patton.

When the first movie in D150 The Bible was to premiere in NYC I recall a big to do as Fox was going to show it in TODD-AO. The folks at D150 threatened Fox with a lawsuit. D150 prevailed and the theatre, the Loew's State, installed a huge Cinerama like screen for the engagement of The Bible.


When the second film in D150, Patton was shown in NY at the Criterion Theater they utilized a flat screen. Needless to say the curved screen was more impressive.

 

[DP 70]

Lord Dalek is correct. It's a Mad(X4) World and Khartoum were shot in Ultra Panavision 70, 2001 and Grand Prix were shot it Super Panavision 70, and Patton was Super Panavision 70 with a D150 lens for selected scenes. Special rectified prints were created for all these films to be shown in the Cinerama venue, but that is not how they were created.

Only the films shot in UP70 had Rectified Prints the ones shot in Super Panavision 70 did not.
Patton was shot in D-150 and was presented in London on release on the Cinerama screen using a D-150 lens.
In Bradford they use a D-150 lens when showing 70mm prints on the Cinerama screen and they look excellent.

 

[RolandL]

There is no such thing as "single lens Cinerama". Those movies (except for Patton which was actually in a rebranded Todd-AO but without the wide-angle lens designed to make use of its curve) were all shot Super Panavision 70 flat or Ultra Panavision anamorphic with the prints being either hard rectified or soft in the projector. Since the curve wasn't a factor in the filmmaking process the image is just distorted for the sake of distortion.

Single Lens Cinerama filmed in Super Panavision, Todd-AO, Technirama, and MCS-70.

 

[Lord Dalek]

Single Lens Cinerama filmed in Super Panavision, Todd-AO, Technirama, and MCS-70.

Thank you for restating what I just posted without defending the fact that it was completely fake. Hell you could optically distort any 70mm blow up from the 70s and it would be screen accurate to how these movies were presented at the Pacific Cineramadome

 

[RolandL]

Thank you for restating what I just posted without defending the fact that it was completely fake. Hell you could optically distort any 70mm blow up from the 70s and it would be screen accurate to how these movies were presented at the Pacific Cineramadome

For most movie titles, similar to IMAX today. Not 70mm IMAX anymore.

 

[john a hunter]

Not being picky Derek but at the Casino the Cinerama lens was not used so the top left and right corners was masked down at an angle.
Trust this makes sense!
Wished I had seen Bible at the Coliseum. Advertised as "70mm" then " D 150" apparently they put in D150 equipment but I wonder whether they replaced the screen.
Did you see it there???
Bloody boring film though!!

 

[john a hunter]

If you want to see how Todd AO looks like in Smilebox, watch Holiday in Spain.
Smilebox is great for "proper" Cinerama but not 70mm.

 

[DP 70]

Hi John,
They did use a D-150 lens at the Coliseum so I thought they used one at the Casino maybe that's why the Top corners were masked.
I have only seen the film at the NFT and the new DTS version at Bradford. On the original prints there is a D-150 tag at the end that's
why I stayed to the end.

Also in the film Melody aka SWALK a section is filmed outside of the Casino at the time of the Patton release and you can the Presented
in D-150 etc...

best

Derek.

 

[Lord Dalek]

If you want to see how Todd AO looks like in Smilebox, watch Holiday in Spain.
Smilebox is great for "proper" Cinerama but not 70mm.

Another example. Here's 2001:



As you can see the image information on far left and right looks really warped.

 

[RolandL]

Theaters with deeply curved Todd-AO and D150 screens also had this distortion but the audience didn't seem to mind. These roadshow movies played to sell-out crowds for months sometimes years.

Santa Clara Cinema 150 theatre

LA Cinerama Dome