Shrek vs. Monsters: Which deserves the Oscar?

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  1. steve jaros

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    ... in the newly created ghetto Oscar for animated films?
    Shrek is probably just as worthy, but i'd give the nod to Monsters because Disney pretty much created the feature-film animation industry, so they deserve the "honor" of getting the first one.
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  2. David Ely

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    I'll get my post in before this is moved to the Polls section.
    Although I love Shrek, I enjoyed Monsters Inc. more. So, my vote is for Monsters.
     
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    I liked Shrek, but I loved Monsters. Mainly because I thought Monsters had a much better story. So my vote goes to Monsters Inc.
     
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    Monsters Inc, for about a billion reasons I don't have time to type.
    Although here's one: No tired Matrix gags...
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    I enjoyed both movies, but I think overall, Monsters Inc. is more 'Oscar-Worthy'.
    And while I thought Final Fantasy was gorgeous, it's mediocre story and voice-acting keep it out of the running altogether. And other animated movies of note, this year?
     
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    Why is an animation Oscar suddenly a Ghetto Oscar? Let's face it, an animated film could have the best story ever written but Hell would freeze over twice before it ever received an Oscar for "Best Picture" because the Academy is prejudiced against animation as a legitimate film form. At least the Animated FILM (as opposed to cartoon) is finally beginning to get some recognition as being something other than a poor cousin to live action. The really ironic thing is that all movies are animated.
    As to who will win the "ghetto" Oscar, my bet is on "SHREK" even though "MONSTERS INC." is actually a better written film.
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    I should qualify my remarks about the Academy and it's prejudice as being...IMO.
    [Edited last by Edwin-S on November 11, 2001 at 07:47 PM]
     
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    I think he ment that this is a new category that was created, as many will consider the Oscar for the category beneath the main Oscar for Best Film.
     
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    This poll is pretty much like this one .
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    Sort of. But I didn't even think about the Oscar for animated films, so I think it's a pretty good topic. Although it will probably be moved to Polls.
     
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    Neither. Give it to Waking Life.
     
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    I just took a look at the trailer for "Waking Life". Is this going to get a wide release or end up only in art house theatres? It looks interesting but I doubt it is going to have a mass appeal. Definitely an interesting animation style used. I wouldn't mind seeing it but where I live this film has a snow ball's chance in Hell of ever seeing a theatre.
     
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    Is the Oscar for animated films based on the visual effects only, the movie itself, or a combination of visual effects, story and voice acting?
    Both films had good animation, but the better writing goes to "Shrek."
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    Edwin-S -
    I consider it a ghetto Oscar for the reasons you list: It's an attempt by the Academy to cover up a source of embarrassment - the fact that its' own members are too prejudiced against animated films to vote them "best picture", even when they deserve it (see both Toy Story films, for example).
    So the Academy creates a way to reward these films while making the Best Picture Oscar safe for the kinds of films that provide visible jobs for actors...
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    I'd give the Oscar to "Waking Life" first, then:
    2. "Final Fantasy"
    3. "Shrek"
    4. "Monsters, Inc."
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    Haven't seen Waking Life. But if it's between Shrek and Monsters Inc, Monsters Inc is the better film. Better story and better script.
     
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    Well..I guess I cannot argue against your point because basically I agree with it. If a film deserves the "Best Picture" Oscar then it deserves it and the film form that it is made in should not be a factor. The problem is is that the people who vote will never admit that imaginary characters could actually have good enough "acting" to outclass a live actor or that the material in an animated film could ever be as worthy as a live film. Toy Story 2 is a good example. The story was well written with engaging characters and had more than a few moments where you could forget that you were watching toys and not people with actual personality behind them. The "Jessie's story" sequence was a particularly good example of that but there is no way that any Academy voter would ever admit that a "cartoon" is worthy of beating out even a mediocre live film. That is why I generally think that the Academy Awards are just four hours of bullshit.
    I'm not sure which is more insulting for people working in animation.....no recognition for quality work or.....a pat on the head for a job well done in "inferior" filmmaking.
    People involved in the animation business are guilty of thinking that they work in an "inferior" business. Look at Hanna and Barbera......I don't think they thought they had reached "respectability" until "The Flintstones" made it to live action; even those both of those films were actually pathetically inferior to any one of the animated episodes.
    Sorry to have gone off topic like this.
     
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    My vote too would immediately go to Waking Life .
    But between Shrek and Monsters Inc., I think Monsters Inc. is the better overall film and technical achievement.
    [Edited last by Holden Pike on November 11, 2001 at 11:22 PM]
     
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    I heard that the "Best Animated Feature" category might not be included this year due to a lack of competition. Last I heard they needed eight applicants, but only seven films had applied. Anybody have any new information?
     
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    Paul, 13 movies were submitted, 3 of which will be nominated. Here are some movies that might have been submitted:
    -Atlantis: The Lost Empire
    -Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
    -Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius
    -MonkeyBone
    -Monsters Inc.
    -Osmosis Jones
    -Recess: School's Out
    -Shrek
    -Trumpet of the Swan
    -Waking Life
    My vote would go to Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. I'm sure it'll be ignored though; the Annie Awards didn't even give it one nomination.
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