SHREK is a must buy, even though 1.33:1 on Disk 1 is a waste.

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  1. AllenD

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    I didn't do any research on this DVD besides reading WSR's review. They list it as a "Two DVD-9 Discs/Anamorphic Widescreen" and I assumed Disk 1 holds the main title with DD & DTS w/o special features and Disk 2 contained all the SF which is what I've considered in the past as a std. two disk set. So, I didn't know Disk 1 contains the 1.33:1 full frame DD version instead of the much desired Anamorphic Widescreen version, which is on Disk 2 (which also includes the DTS track). Heads up! Don't make the mistake I made and pop in Disk 1 and expect OAR.
    I didn't view the whole movie but did check a few scenes after Trick-or-Treating with the kids: Chapter 1 "Once Upon a Time," Ch. 9 "The Dragon's Keep" and Ch. 14 "You Ate the Princess." I chose these scenes specifically for the dark scenes. I'm really pleased with what I saw. Even though these scenes were darkly lit, details were still visible and they were very well done, and blacks are deep and rich. (I can't comment on EE since I don't look for it and didn't view the whole feature.) When Pixar made Toy Story I didn't think it was possible to surpass it's quality but Dreamworks did just that with this movie. The attention to details in Shrek is more astonishing than I've seen in other gems such as TS/TS2.
    Warning[​IMG]ossible spoiler ahead...
    An amusing feature of the DVD is the use of fairytale creatures in the menu and in the karaoke musical. For example Baby Bear speaks in the menu saying "This menu's too small" [​IMG] and a one legged Ginger Bread Man singing "Do you really want to hurt me" in the karaoke dance party. It's truly hillarious and my kids are going to love it, too.
    That's all I can really share for now since it's 1:30 in the morning and can barely keep my eyes open. I won't comment on the audio since I only listened to it at low levels.
    Lastly, even though I'll never have a need for the 1.33:1 version on disk one, I'm glad it's there. (It's still a waste of disk space, IMO.) It shows a welcomed approach to catering to both J6P and OAR lovers. Dreamworks did a fine job in this respect, IMO, compared to what other studios have done.
     
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    Hmmm, the times they are a changin' - primacy is given to the p&s/ff version. [​IMG]
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    I watched my copy yesterday. The quality is nothing short of breathtaking. It's perfect imo.
    I only checked the extra features on disc 2 and while they are ok it's nothing outstanding. I'll check the features on disc 1 today.
    I don't think that the P&S on disc 1 is a waste. They didn't compromise the quality of the OAR version in any way nor did they charge more. What do I care that in addition to some features there's also a version on disc 1 that I'll never watch?
    As long as OAR is provided in the best possible quality I'm perfectly happy. And that's the case with Shrek.
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    I recall on mine Disc 2 had the DTS logo and the DTS version on it. Can someone confirm this for me. I was able to get it early and thought it was wierd by sight that the DTS logo was on the second disc and not the first. I'll watch it tonight since I don't have to work tonigt.
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    As much of an OAR supporter as I am, I actually found a couple of uses for Disc 1. I can play it in the car for the kids or take it on vacation and not have to worry that the WS version gets messed up. You ever try and watch a WS movie on a 5" lcd screen in a moving car?!
     
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    Jerome-
    Yes, disc 2 is the one with the DTS track on it. You are correct.
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    I see nothing wrong with the DVD's. The FF version had the kiddie extras and the 16x9 version has the adult extras. Best PQ I have ever seen.
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    "I see nothing wrong with the DVD's. The FF version had the kiddie extras and the 16x9 version has the adult extras."
    This is precisely what is wrong with this. It perpetuates the myth that children prefer FF.
     
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    Just out of pure curiosity (remember I am a staunch OAR supporter), did Dreamworks try to recomposite the movie ala Pixar in A Bug's Life full frame version? If I remember correctly in the theater, Shrek must have been 1.85 so it would have been easier to digitally recomposite this than A Bug's Life which was 2.35.
    BTW, Pixar didn't really succeed in their claims to "preserve every character" in the recomposite. I found many instances where characters were still cut off or omitted. I think it's technically impossible to fit most everything in a 2.35 frame into something that's 40% less space and still have it look natural...
     
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    Pixar also reformatted the Toy Story films to fit into a 4:3 screen. I would also like to know if Dreamworks did the same to Shrek.
     
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    My wife and I started watching the first disc last night. Then I realized it wasn't DTS. I then put in the 2nd disc and it WAS in DTS. How weird that the 2-disc set would have the whole movie on each disc. Plus, on the 2nd disc is the commentary. Lots of features... most of them are DVD-ROM stuff, which I haven't had a chance to check out.
    The two funniest things in this movie:
    1. "No, not my gum-drop buttons!"
    2. The fact that the Donkey's name is... Donkey.
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    To be perfectly accurate, Pixar only reformatted Toy Story 2, the first film was not reimaged.
    As far as Shrek goes, I would find it to be unimportant what was done to the FF version. The probability that myself and the majority around here will ever view it is slim to none.
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    Chad, the reason I asked is that I like to see if they have achieved their claims: reformatting a film in 1.33 successfully without sacrificing their characters. Pixar failed with their efforts in A Bug's Life. I was just curious if Dreamworks was going to try a similar thing since Shrek is only 1.85 and would be considerably easier to attempt to digitally manipulate to 1.33.
     
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    Carlo-
    I understand your question, I was remarking on the fact that most of us would not be watching the disc and the point would by moot.
    Did you look at the reframing on Toy Story 2? I haven't checked it out myself and probably won't, but I would guess that it was much more easily performed on a 1.77 film versus the 2.35 of A Bug's Life.
    How does this reformatting fit in with the OAR and the director's original intent? Seems to me that the intent is sacrificed for the benefit of people opposed to widescreen.
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    Okay here is my question. Will Blockbuster screw us and only rent out the first disc, or let us have our widescreen too? (I don't even know why I'm asking, I'm going to buy it rather than give my money to them anyway.)
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    I'm nitpicking here, but I do wish they would have switched the designation for Disc 1 and Disc 2. Better than not including an OAR version, but still not best.
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    My thoughts exactly (you posted it before I could). Make disk 2 disk 1 instead, and vise versa.
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    Chad,
    Obviously the reframing is against the director's intent. The thing with Pixar at least is that all of the principles who worked on the theatrical version worked on the Full Frame version. So it could be seen as an alternative intent.
    That being said, there was no way they could capture everything in the 2.35 frame and put it in a 1.33 frame. It was an admirable effort but one that ultimately they shouldn't have to make, if OAR would just be accepted.
    I'm just looking at the Full Frame versions of these films as more of a science project, just to see if it could be done since all of the characters onscreen were digital and could be easily manipulated.
     

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