Should I upgrade from my Denon 4802 to a 5803?

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  1. Kevin_Roy

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    I'm running a Denon 4802 with an Outlaw 750 amp. Not really happy with the Outlaw. I was thinking of selling what I have and getting the 5803. Or I was possibly thinking of just getting rid of the Outlaw and maybe get the Parasound
    2205 to replace it. Any input appreciated.
     
  2. chung_sotheby

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    Outlaw amps are usually pretty good. I would think that maybe it sounds a little too lean for you, in which case the 2205 would fit nicely. I would say that in terms of sound quality, the 4802 paired with a quality external amp would best the 5803, but if you are looking for features, not many components on the planet (receivers or seperates) can boast the list of features that the 5803 has. Your decision totally depends on what you are looking for.
     
  3. Tommy_N

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    Why are you not happy with the Outlaw?

    Thanks

    Tom
     
  4. Kevin_Roy

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    As Chung mentioned. the Outlaw sounds a little lean for my taste.
     
  5. Yogi

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    If you are looking for a full bodied sound I suggest one of the B&K amps. They are MOSFET designs that have a warm top end, full bodied midrange and a tight bottom end. Parasound would also fit in nicely with the 4802 and like Chung said would outdo the 5803 in terms of sound. If you want all the nifty features that the 5803 offers then by all means get one and you cant go wrong with that either.

    Best of luck.
     
  6. Michael Mathius

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    Tough call. If you are looking for just raw power then the amp route should be better. But if you have a lot of equipment or planing on adding then the 5803 is the way to go. Getting an amp should also make it cheaper to upgrade in the future.

    BTW,I have the 3802 with a 5 channel 140 watt amp which gives me all the power I need.
     
  7. Zbigniew

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    Get both.

    5803 because of features; then add either Parasound 1500 for fronts only, or 2205 to bi-amp fronts (that what I will do) and center channel, and leave Denon for sides/rears.

    Enjoy,

    _zjt
     
  8. Phil Mays

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    Is money an issue? The 5803 is a few clams, which I know you know. If you want to save a little bit then I think the amp route may indeed be the best one to take. Could save $2,000 for another upgrade elsewhere[​IMG]
     
  9. Geo

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    If you like the 4802 you'll love the 5803!
    Unless you have really demanding speakers, the 5803 amps
    will do nicely until you can upgrade the front stage amp and let the 5803 amps drive the rears/surround.

    Regards,

    geo
     
  10. Steve Stogel

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    I gotta vote for the 5803. Then you can sell the 4802 to someone close for very cheap. Hey, are you in Austin [​IMG]? Small world, huh?
    Steve
     
  11. Martice

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    If you purchase the Denon, you are now putting all of your eggs in one piece. I'm sure that the Denon is a fine unit but I cannot stress enough the value of separate 'quality' amplification for at least the 2 main channels.
    Look at it this way. Your hoping that the Denon is all the processor, all of the tuner, all of the preamp and of course all of the power amp you'll need and want if you purchase it on it's own. Now I'm sure that some feel that the Denon fills the bill with the above criteria but chances are that if you feel the Outlaw is not cutting it for you then you may have a higher expectation of power, control and headroom then some folks. Unless you have a large system with many components or you are a 'feature creature' [​IMG] , then I'd stick with your present receiver and get a VERY GOOD quality amp. If you go this route you can now put to rest most interest of 'Flagship' receivers from a power standpoint because you have that department sewn up. You are now looking at receivers as processors which now makes your choices much easier and for once a lot more sane. Personally, the Denon 4802 should be able to handle the center and surrounds easily. I'd sink my dough into a hell of a 2-channel amp or depending on the amp and the deal, a hell of a 3-channel amp.
    If you listen to music at least 50% or more of the time, I'd strongly recommend the above strategy.
     
  12. Kevin. W

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    Sell the Outlaw and get a new amp. Ever since I moved to seperates(and my setup is certainly not top of the line), I knew I would never go back to a receiver.

    Kevin
     
  13. Greg Haynes

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    I believe that we all should strive to move towards separates, instead of buying flagship receivers every year. I say if your unhappy with the Outlaw then sell it and get yourself a Parasound 2205AT. Your 4802 has plenty of processing power and features, no need for the 5803 now unless you have no budget and have money coming out of the waazoo [​IMG]
    I recently added a Parasound 1205A to my Denon 3802, and like I said in other posts I will never go back to using a receiver amps again.
     
  14. Kevin_Roy

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    Thanks for the input everyone. I am leaning towards selling the Outlaw and getting the Parasound 2205. I think I should be happy with that.
     
  15. Greg Haynes

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    Good Choice Kevin [​IMG]
    Now you just need to find somewhere that has one for cheap [​IMG]
     
  16. Michael Lee

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    I have a 5803 with external amplification (Cinenova Grande, 5x300W) and an upgraded 5800 running off its own amps. Most people that come to visit me hear little or no discernible difference between the two. Now of course, these are regular people who just enjoy music and movies...not equipment hounds like us. And there are differences in the room acoustics and other variables (this wasn't a science project!). I am just saying to be wary to look for huge differences...some people may not justify its price/performance ratio.
     
  17. Alex Yang

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    Matrice!!!
    "Feature Creature"!!!!! ??!??? [​IMG]
    OK Guilty as charged!!! I'm definately one of THOSE!!! That's why I went with the DENON 5803... Came close OH so VERY VERY close to the Anthem AVM-20 but in the end got a great price (Almost the same as the Anthem AVM-20) by about $100 difference... So I bit!!! [​IMG]
    Kevin,
    I 2nd Matrice's thoughts that if you're not happy with power from Outlaw, buying the 5803 will basically put you in the same boat you're already in now go with a new amp as you'll already have MOST of the features of the 5803...
    -Alex
    Hi Michael Lee, my Denon 5803 is still sitting in it's cardboard box until next week when I go on vacation... And then it'll be HT Nirvana with the Mirage speakers!!! [​IMG]
     
  18. Michael Lee

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    Alex-
    I cannot believe you held out this long in hooking up your 5803! Did something other than free time hold you back from doing this?

    Here's to your HT Nirvana!
     
  19. Geo

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    Looking at the 5803 as a flagship receiver is only half the story. Mating it with really good front end amplification and using the 5803's stellar amps to power the
    surround(1 or 2 pair!!) plus back speakers turns it into one of the most attractive pre/pros available, IMO.

    The 5803 is dead quite, nothing comes from the speakers that's not suppose to.

    Pure Direct Mode bypasses all DSP, shuts down all video including it's display and gives you the option to turn off the sub, which I do for Direct and Pure Direct Modes.

    Two multichannel analog inputs with bass management makes it ideal if your using both DVD-Audio and SACD multichannel.
    This feature was a deal maker for me, amoung others, that just can't be found elsewhere no matter what your willing to pay!

    The 5803 can be had for just over $3K from reputable dealers who back the product even if Denon won't.

    I will be enjoying the 5803 until Denon comes out with their pre/pro which is suppose to be out early next year.
    Right now I'm thrilled..............

    Regards,

    geo
     
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