Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films) (8 Viewers)

[John*Wells]

I completely agree. Roddenberry was flat out wrong about that one.

The thing that really made me mad was when they Killed Rene and Picards Brother in Star Trek Generations. Ive addressed that in this Thread before so I am not going to go over the 500 Objections I had to that again

 

[Josh Steinberg]

The thing that really made me mad was when they Killed Rene and Picards Brother in Star Trek Generations. Ive addressed that in this Thread before so I am not going to go over the 500 Objections I had to that again

I understood from a storytelling perspective why they did it, but it was a real gut punch to longtime fans like us, that’s for sure.

 

[Sam Favate]

The thing that really made me mad was when they Killed Rene and Picards Brother in Star Trek Generations. Ive addressed that in this Thread before so I am not going to go over the 500 Objections I had to that again

I will address it for the 1,000th time. It was terrible, terrible writing. A really lazy choice. I hate it.

 

[Jason_V]

Oh, I understand why they were made (though TPTB made some serious missteps on "Code"), just don't understand why those are the ones they led off with, unless they were in a similar situation as in the '60s, in that they didn't have many "in the can." As we all probably remember, Bob Justman was there that first year, too.

It wasn't a matter of what was done, as far as I remember. They led with this episode for the specific reason I mentioned.

I have zero idea about "Code of Honor."

 

[AndyMcKinney]

It wasn't a matter of what was done, as far as I remember. They led with this episode for the specific reason I mentioned.

Well, if that's why they did it, they definitely made a poor decision, as the initial reviews for that episode trashed it for being a literal re-make/rip-off of an original series episode. "The Last Outpost" or "Where No One Has Gone Before" would have been better alternatives, if they had a choice.

I can appreciate "Naked Now" now (and it does have some good moments), but on "night of broadcast" in 1987, it seemed to be a potential bad sign for the show's success. The following week certainly didn't help, either.

Thank goodness that there were at least a few really good episodes before the mid-season break (esp. "Where No One..." and "Haven"). When the show came back in January with "The Big Goodbye", it was finally firing on all cylinders.

 

[ScottRE]

I understood from a storytelling perspective why they did it, but it was a real gut punch to longtime fans like us, that’s for sure.

It was massively diluted for me because they didn't use the original actors. Not even Jeremy Kemp in the photograph.

 

[John*Wells]

So how long will the TOS and TNG films be gone from Paramount + this time?

 

[ScottRE]

So how long will the TOS and TNG films be gone from Paramount + this time?

And this right there will always be the #1 reason why I prefer physical media.

 

[bmasters9]

And this right there will always be the #1 reason why I prefer physical media.

You bet-- I wouldn't want to pay for a service and not see any of my favorite shows or films.

 

[ScottRE]

Although, I imagine they removed them to encourage people to actually buy the 4K releases (and eventually the TNG films in that format).

 

[John*Wells]

Although, I imagine they removed them to encourage people to actually buy the 4K releases (and eventually the TNG films in that format).

I did my part on the TOS crew films and when the TNG films come I’ll get them too. Probably no chance we’ll see the original series or TNG tv shows in 4KUHD though right?

 

[ScottRE]

I wouldn't count on it. TNG didn't sell that well on BD as it is and unless they went back and fixed the dozens of glitches in TOS, I've gone as far as I intend to with it. I see Shatner's toupee line too much as it is in regular HD. I don't need to see anything else they never meant for me to notice.

But everyone's mileage varies.

 

[Rick Thompson]

I just finished a viewing marathon — Enterprise, the original series, Next Generation and Voyager — and like them in TOS, Voyager, Enterprise and Next Gen order. It was particularly fun to see how Enterprise's writers tried to make things match up with the original series, which follows them chronologically. The biggest weakness in Next Gen is at the center: To me, Picard is a stuffed shirt allergic to anything enjoyable. Kirk has the most sense of humor about himself, Archer the most realistic, and Janeway is very consistent and comfortable with who she is. Voyager's crew is the most interesting; Enterprise's crew is uneven (but I like T'Pol a lot), Next Gen's crew, like its captain, is too full of themselves; and the original's Big Three and what I call the "second three" (Scotty, Sulu, Chekov) are, well, unbeatable. (I didn't bother with Deep Space 9. The few episodes I saw in original run did nothing for me.)

 

[John*Wells]

I wouldn't count on it. TNG didn't sell that well on BD as it is and unless they went back and fixed the dozens of glitches in TOS, I've gone as far as I intend to with it. I see Shatner's toupee line too much as it is in regular HD. I don't need to see anything else they never meant for me to notice.

But everyone's mileage varies.

I actually bought TOS and TNG as well as TAS on Blu Ray. While I did not notice Shatner being anything other than full of himself as usual. I did notice some of the screens on the Bridge wrinkled and the the Enterprise isn’t as white as it looks on television

 

[Adam Lenhardt]

 

[Nelson Au]

Time has sure flown by!

 

[Nelson Au]

I’ve continued my TNG revisit with Journey’s End and Where No One Has Gone before with the Traveller. Arsenal of Freedom, Coming of Age last week and tonight 11001001. 11001001 is a very memorable episode as is Arsenal of Freedom.

What’s also interesting for me is I’m catching a few episodes of Spenser for Hire. Carolyn McCormick replaces Barbara’s Stock in the second season, though I liked Barbara better. But Carolyn is great as Minuet and she returns in season 4.

Also interesting is Avery Brooks co-stars on Spenser as Hawk. Interesting to re-see his younger performance as an enforcer. I think that a little of that character’s swagger re-surfaces in Sisko once they let Brooks shave his head.

 

[ScottRE]

Really the only Trek cast where everyone remained great friends, truly inseparable. I love that they have that bond. It shows on screen.

 

[ScottRE]

I actually bought TOS and TNG as well as TAS on Blu Ray. While I did not notice Shatner being anything other than full of himself as usual. I did notice some of the screens on the Bridge wrinkled and the the Enterprise isn’t as white as it looks on television

Shatner played the 60's heroic lead; self confident, dashing and, well, movie star handsome. He was no more smug than, say, Robert Conrad or Chris George (and much less so than Jack Lord). The actor had a very healthy opinion of himself, but I don't think it hurt the character. I gravitated towards him. Hell, the series revolved around him. I'd be pretty cocky too. If I were in a jam in space (a...Space Jam you might say), I'd want Jim Kirk to be the guy in charge of getting me out of there.

 

[Rick Thompson]

Well, if that's why they did it, they definitely made a poor decision, as the initial reviews for that episode trashed it for being a literal re-make/rip-off of an original series episode. "The Last Outpost" or "Where No One Has Gone Before" would have been better alternatives, if they had a choice.

I can appreciate "Naked Now" now (and it does have some good moments), but on "night of broadcast" in 1987, it seemed to be a potential bad sign for the show's success. The following week certainly didn't help, either.

Thank goodness that there were at least a few really good episodes before the mid-season break (esp. "Where No One..." and "Haven"). When the show came back in January with "The Big Goodbye", it was finally firing on all cylinders.

At least they didn't remake "Spock's Brain"!