Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films) (8 Viewers)

[Nelson Au]

The first DS9 to go to the Mirror universe is called Crossover. So I'll revisit that one first. One of the things that I wasn't as enamored by with the DS9 and Enterprise Mirror episodes is the characters counterparts are played so overly angry or vicious. Such as Dr. Bashir or Tripp. I thought O'Brian's counterpart was pretty good, Smiley. The TOS counterparts were evil versions of course, but they were played much more subtly and not so over the top. So they seemed more natural. So Lee, there is another phaser example that's open to interpretation? I rather liked The Cage example!

 

[FanCollector]

Of the remaining three, one is crystal clear, one is not seen but described, and one is open to interpretation through dialogue.

 

[Nelson Au]

I'm pretty sure this isn't one of the remaining three, but I thought I'd put it out there. "General Order 24 in 2 hours!" Scotty has the computers and phasers all set to blast Eminiar. But they manage to avert it. So I didn't think this one counted.

 

[FanCollector]

No, that one ended peacefully.

 

[Nelson Au]

"Let's see if they have the belly for it!"I plan to watch Friday's Child after having read the chapter on it. So while we don't see the Enterprise firing phasers, IIRC, they go right through the Klingon ship back to Capella. It's not clear if they engage in battle or not. I always thought it was a game of chicken and the Klingon's got out of the way. I suppose Scotty could have given them a blast of phaser fire.

 

[Nelson Au]

Oops

 

[FanCollector]

Right! I included that one because I feel it is purely a question of viewer interpretation. We really can't know whether any shots were fired. (My personal interpretation matches yours, but I wanted to be complete.)One left. We don't see it, but unlike in this instance, we know for certain that it happened.

 

[Nelson Au]

Okay, one more we don't see and one more we do see?

 

[FanCollector]

No, I hadn't crossed one off before. Just one left total, unseen but discussed.

 

[Nelson Au]

Oh, I thought in post 10301, three remained. Then Fridays Child counted as one. So I thought two more.

 

[FanCollector]

Right. That was when I had not crossed out one you already named. I corrected the error and now there is just one left. Sorry.

 

[Nelson Au]

Ah! Okay. Got it.

 

[Nelson Au]

"Greenhorn running my ship!"The Deadly Years sees the incompetent Commodore Stocker take control of the Enterprise from the aging command crew and right into Romulan space.The Enterprise comes under attack. But I don't think Stocker ever gives the command to arm phasers. So it must be another one.

 

[FanCollector]

Right, Stocker doesn't even bother. Would it help to know that the remaining example does not involve another vessel?

 

[Nelson Au]

Okay, I'll take that into consideration.

 

[Nelson Au]

I already named Who Mourns for Adonais, then I thought of other none vessels. I'll bet you credits to navy beams that Mr. DeSalle didn't use phasers on the force field that Sylvia put up. So it must be another. No clues yet, so I'll keep pondering.

 

[FanCollector]

You win your navy beans because I forgot that they used non-weapon means to combat the forcefield in Catspaw. So sorry to have strung you along under false pretenses!You got them all. I will post a finished list of the episodes a little later.

 

[FanCollector]

For posterity--all the episodes in which the Enterprise uses its weapons (The last one named is the uncertain case we discussed.):The CageThe Corbomite ManeuverBalance of TerrorArenaThe Alternative FactorErrand of MercyWho Mourns for Adonais?The Doomsday MachineThe ChangelingThe AppleJourney to BabelObsessionA Piece of the ActionPatterns of ForceThe Ultimate ComputerElaan of TroyiusThe Paradise SyndromeThe Tholian WebFor the World is Hollow...Day of the DoveWhom Gods DestroyThe Lights of Zetar*Friday's Child*So it's just over one in four episodes. I suppose that seems about right. I wonder if the Star Trek critics who see the Kirk character as excessively belligerent would be surprised by the numbers or vindicated by them. In any case, excellent work from Nelson with a good beginning from Scott. Sorry again about my false positive at the end.

 

[Nelson Au]

Thanks Lee, that's quite a list. I'd say in fairness, a few of those times the weapons were fired under someone else's orders. I'll ponder a question.

 

[Nelson Au]

Here's a quick and simple question. Name all the mothers we meet during the course of the series.