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Henry Carmona

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http://robo.cx/~bobo/ars/Manning_Park-sasquatch.mp3
(right click and save if it doesnt play)

Heres the story:

Mike and a friend of his who i don't know were on a four day backcountry backpacking trip in Manning Park (a big Provincial Park in southern British Columbia) at the end of last summer, in early september.

On the secord night they camped beside a creek (Lightning creek, he thinks) under Lone Goat mountain. They realized as they were trying to get to sleep that they'd set up the tent too close to the creek, because it was very noisy, but they were also on a nice flat spot, and the only clear areas were beside the creek.

They were discussing whether they should try to move the tent to a spot further from the creek, when they heard an animal howl outside the tent. This was at about 2am, he thinks.

They were surprised because it was very loud, and they also could hear it clearly over the noisy creek. Mike isn't such an experienced outdoorsman, though he's a good hiker, and had no idea what the sound was, but his friend said it was a couple coyotes.

The howls went on for about 10 minutes, Mike thinks. He said they made his hair stand up on end and he felt frightened, but his friend seemed confident that he knew what they were, so he stayed calm. When it had been silent for several minutes, his friend confided that actually he didn't think they were coyote, that they were too loud and long and just didn't sound right.

He admitted that they were creepy sounding, but very logically pointed out that the only things they had to be afraid of were grizzlies, and it certainly wasn't a grizzly, so it was nothing to be afraid of. Nonetheless, all talk of getting out and moving the tent in the dark was abandoned.

Sasquatch was never suggested.
Then a little while later, the sound started again. Due to the noise of the creek, it was hard to tell distance, but this time it was very loud, and powerful sounding, and could be heard echoing around. Both of the guys were quite spooked, despite their belief that it was no animal that would harm them. It was then that Mike's friend commented that it sounded like a ape, but the call was so long.

They agreed on this, and tried to calm their nerves by talking about what it could be, while the howls continued nearby. Then Mike had an idea. His DV Camcorder was in the tent with them, and he could use it to record the sound. It took a few minutes to get the camcorder out in the darkness (they didn't want to turn on a light, and attract attention), but he finally got it started, just before the calls stopped. He thinks he must have gotten the last 30 seconds of about 3 minutes of calls.

They heard a few calls somewhat later, but they were fainter and the camera was not recording anymore at that point.


He played the tape for me. The video portion was of course just blackness, but the sound is excellent quality (it's a good JVC digital video camera). The creek is very loud (Mike said it is even louder in the recording than at the time) but the calls are extremely clear. When i heard it, my hair stood up.. the calls are very loud, and sound, to me, like Squatch.

Interestingly, when they got back to the park entrance, they played the sound for a ranger, who actually grinned said 'Sounds like bigfoot'. But they thought he was joking, from the way he said it, and didn't take it particularly seriously. Still, Mike was curious enough that he saved the tape until now, though hasn't done any other investigating of it.

I asked if they'd investigated the area around their campsite, but he said they didn't, and the rest of the trip was uneventful, at least from a 'mystery howl' point of view.


I know a sound recording is not much in the way of evidence, but this one is clearer than any i've heard online. And of course, there was no sighting associated with it, so i have no idea if it's really BF. I'm no expert, but it doesn't sound like any animal i can think of , and Mike's friend (and the ranger) had no better ideas.


Here's the recording (I brought the tape home and recorded it onto my computer). The clip is just over 30 seconds long, in MP3 format. It starts where his recording starts, and ends just after the the calls stop (rather abruptly). The tape continues for a while longer, but you can just hear the creek and Mike and his friend talking. No more calls are recorded. At the beginning, you can hear Mike's friend asking if the camera is going, and Mike replying.
 

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This is weird because I have heard this exact sound before. The traffic was backed up because of an accident a few kilometers away. All of the cars were stopped waiting for things to get going and we were sitting outside of the van and heard this exact noise coming from the woods.
 

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Couldn't a lab or someone with the right equipment to a sound analysis on it? They must be able to identify it in some way or another, at least whether it was human or not.
 

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As a person with a fair amount of animal knowledge, Family business is a private zoo. I would say it is not a coyote, however does sound somewhat like a wolf. Coyote never howl alone you will always hear multiples and that recording is a single animal. The recording just doesn't sound deep enough to be a large primate, as well primate calls are usually shorter not so drawn out .

second point in that area also watch out for black bears they are more likely to be a problem than are grizzly's.
 

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Ya I know for sure it isn't a coyote, they tend to sound like more of a yelping noise, than a low howl like in the sound clip. We have lots of coyotes behind our house and hear them every night. I have heard claimed sasquatch howls before on tv, and they all seem to sound very similar.
 

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Other info is that it is at high elevation where only coyotes, bears, and elk would be found.

I have heard coyote and elk calls and this is neither.
Some have suggested a cow or bull, however it isnt quite like a cow not to mention that there are no cattle in that area at all.

Here is a "sonogram" of the recording, however it does not show nor prove what kind of animal could have done that.



I do quite a bit of hunting (in TX), and if i had heard this, ida definitately been scared :)
 

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Could it be Loons? I have mistaken a Loon's call/squawk for wolves before. When I was in Alaska camping at Bare Loon Lake on the Chilkoot, I sat for a long time around suck watching Loons dive and basically wander around on the lakefront. When it got dark, you could here them out on the lake, especially with the lack of camp noises and stuff. Very eerie if you don't realize what they are...

Maybe there are some .wav files of a loon out there on the internet somewhere...

Jay
 

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I dont know Jay, ive heard loons before and this dont sound like one to me.

The author seems pretty credible, so if this indeed is an authentic recording of an animal, i have no idea what it could be.

I know ive never heard anything like it.
 

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also proximity to a still body of water was not mentioned. You would have to be near a lake or pond to get a call from a loon and only the creek was mentioned for water. By the sound of the creek it is moving too fast to be a good loon habitat. I also agree with Cam S.
 

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Oops, sorry, didn't know you had a link to an MP3 file... I was just going off the verbal description...

Too big a file to download, but loons are generally a high pitched sound, not very "bassy" :)

Jay
 

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Did anyone consider it to be human? Maybe it was someone either playing a joke or trying to scare off something?
 

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