SACD - Did I Completely Miss The Boat?

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  1. Chris Lehner

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    OK, I will admit my stupidity in public: I just always assumed SACD was a multi-channel format, since it was always being compared against DVD-A. I'm a die-hard 2-channel guy (when it comes to music), so I paid little interest. I just happen to glance at my Acoustic Sounds catalog and I see SACD Stereo? So is SACD a processing enhancement, like HDCD (which I have), as opposed to multi-channel recording? I.E. better sound rather than just multi-channel sound?

    If so, I have 2 questions: 1) what is the difference between Single Layer and Hybrid and 2) what's considered the best entry-level player to get in?

    Thanks,
    CDL
     
  2. Dan Joy

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    Chris,
    A simple search in this area will provide you with enough reading material to stay in the bathroom for days[​IMG]
    SACD comes in multichannel and 2 channel. I prefer 2 channel for most of what I have heard. It mostly boils down to the quality of the source tapes, weather it is originally recorded in DSD, and the sound mixer/ engineer IMHO. A hybrid sacd is one that has a stereo track capable of being played by most(do a search on this as well) if not all cd players and a sacd layer(sometimes multichannel and 2 channel and sometimes just 2 channel.
    I tend to prefer 2 channel and am simply amazed at the separation of instruments I can hear on certain recordings, ie.. Stones, SRV, etc..
    I have a SCDC222ES cd/sacd changer I received for 325.00. I prefer not to have any video processing with my sacd/cd[​IMG]
    Please do a search and you will receive the powerful knowledge of other posters!
     
  3. Ryan Spaight

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    In short, an SACD will *always* have a stereo track. It's part of the spec. A multi-channel track can be included in addition to stereo, but it's not required.

    "Hybrid" SACDs have a CD-compatible layer that will play in most CD players (DVD players and DVD-ROM drives sometimes have trouble, though). However, this will sound no better and no worse than any other CD.

    "Single-layer" SACDs will only work in SACD players.

    Ryan
     
  4. Chris Lehner

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    Thanks for the replys. After the post, I did a little research and confirmed as much. As I mentioned, I currently have HDCD capability and I love the difference. How does SACD compare?

    CDL
     
  5. Danny Tse

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    Since I don't have HDCD capability, I couldn't tell you from my perspective. I was under the impression that SACD will always outperform a regular redbook CD, HDCD encoded or not. However, I just came across this article comparing the NAD C541i CD player and the Sony DVP-NS500V DVD/CD/SACD player, which I purchased for $179.95 new. I remember The Absolute Sound mentioned the Sony compared favorably to the Rega Planet.
     
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  7. MattCPT

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    I just wanted to add that I always preferred stereo when playing back music, but that was before my purchase of a multi-channel SACD player. The difference between playing a cd in anyone of the many surround modes that a receiver can reproduce and playing back a multi-channel SACD is tremendous. Do yourself a favor and buy some multi-channel SACDs that you have an interest in because you'll always have the stereo layer.

    I own some multi-channel SACDs that I just love the sound of, and no longer play the stereo version of them (ex. James Taylor-Hourglass, Spyro Grya-Modern Times, Dave Brubeck-Time Out, Film Music of Jerry Goldsmith, 1812 Overture)

    Enjoy your purchase. My only regret is that I didn't buy a universal player that plays SACD and DVD-A.
     
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  9. John Geelan

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    SACD is better than HDCD, no comparison really.

    I feel it is worth getting into SACD for it does make music come alive.

    An excellent entry-level SACD player is the Sony 775 changer. It does Stereo and Multi-Channel. Get one real soon cause it's now discontinued. Goes for about $180 new. Less than that used (open box...check out a Circuit City).
     
  10. Chris Lehner

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    Yeah, I happen to see the SCD-CE775 today at Best Buy. I thought it was new, at that price point, but it's on its' way out huh? I had a question; rather subjective I suppose.

    SCD-CE775 at < $200 or spring for the 222ES at $500?

    I mean, I know usually buy the best you can, but in this case, is SACD...SACD?

    Thanks,
    CDL
     
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    Chris, while some feel the 'CE775 and 'C222ES are very similar soundwise and that extra money for the 'C222ES primarily gets you better build quality and a better warranty, I feel the 'C222ES does sound better, both with CDs and SACDs. The difference is greater with CDs. If you can step up to the 'C222ES, do so. Authorized mail-order dealers like OneCall (1-800-340-4770), J&R Music World (1-800-221-8180), and Oade Bros. (1-229-228-0093 or 1-229-228-4480) sell it for around $350. For $350, I feel the 'C222ES buys you a better CD and SACD player in addition to better build quality and a better warranty (five years versus one year). Finally, the 'C222ES has both optical and coaxial digital outputs, while the 'CE775 has just an optical digital output.
     
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    I love mt 222ES[​IMG] You will too!
     
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    Now if only the records studio's actualy release music from my favourite genres. The only albums I really want are imports and include the "Muse - B-sides album", "Groove Armada", and "Kinobe".
     

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