Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer in HD for 2005

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  1. TonyD

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    so did anyone catch this?

    i thought it looked terrific.
    i havent seen it in years and the idea of being remastered
    and showing as hi def got me to look at it again.

    with the exception of a few
    vertical scratch lines,
    notably near the beginning,
    and a few few colors changing
    during scenes. mostly during the
    misfit toy song about 40 minutes in.

    i thought they did a great job.
     
  2. Andy_Bu

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    Hi Tony,

    What was the aspect ratio for this broadcast?


    Andy
     
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    It was 4:3 (pillarboxed).
     
  4. TonyD

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    what greg said.

    it did have the cbs/hdtv logo on the black bars, half on image half on bar.
    so i guess the bars were part of the hd image.
    i dont know.
    maybe someone who knows how a 4x3 pillarbox hd program works can chime in.
    i have also seen this on fox during prime time.
     
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    Looked so clear you could see puppet strings on some of the characters, which I didn't remember seeing before.

    Doug
     
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    Oh man, I didn't bother checking the HD channel...
    Oh well, my daughter still liked it.[​IMG]
     
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    Puppet strings? I thought this was stop motion.[​IMG]
     
  8. TonyD

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    there were strings.
    i think i saw them during the misfit toy song.
     
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    Well, anything that had to fly through the air or stand in certain positions would need to be supported somehow.
     
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    I thought I noticed something during this airing, and I just went back to my DVD of this show to see if I was right.

    The songs were shorter in the aired version. Presumably to get in the commercials. They also changed around the scene where rudolph and the elf were singing "couple of misfits".

    Seems too bad that they took the effort to clean this up, but still cut it up.
     
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    Anybody hear the cranky elf foreman character's voice changed in the elf chorus rehearsal scene? Wassup with that?

    And yes, strings were visible, especially in the final scene with Santa's sled flying away.

    Ditto some crinkled background paintings that I never noticed before.

    Very entertaining broadcast on two levels. Kiddie nostalgia as well as HD tech geek.
     
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    I only noticed the strings at the end when Rudolph is leading the sleigh.
     
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    And put a BUG on it!!!
     
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    I didn't see this HD version, but some modifications were made to the show the year after its original airing. Some of the lost scenes were only restored a few years ago.

    More info about the different versions on http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058536/alternateversions.
     
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    The DVD I compared last nights version to was bought last year at Wal-Mart. It was produced by Sony Wonder.

    The dvd version also had the change in voice during the santa's elfs song. But the version aired had a shorter version of the song.
     
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    Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer (1964) (TV)

    * Miscellaneous: Although the film was copyrighted and released in 1964, the Roman-numerals copyright date in the main titles is shown as "MCLXIV", which would be the year 1164! What a difference an "M" makes! [​IMG]

    * Continuity: The head elf's voice is clearly a different actor when he's conducting the choir.

    * Audio/visual unsynchronized: When Mrs. Claus goes out the door after Santa, the sound of the door slamming occurs before the door is shut.

    * Continuity: According to Sam the Snowman's narration, it was the day before Christmas Eve when Santa Claus initially decided to cancel Christmas due to the bad weather. That same day, however, Santa asks Rudolph to guide his sleigh "tonight" (that is, Christmas Eve).

    * Continuity: Santa's sleigh is normally pulled by eight reindeer - Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donder and Blitzen. When Rudolph is added to the team, he becomes the ninth reindeer. However, in all the sleigh flying scenes, only seven reindeer are shown pulling the sleigh.

    * Factual errors: Male reindeer lose their antlers around early December and don't grow back in time for Christmas. Female reindeer never lose their antlers, so the reindeer pulling Santa's sleigh should be females. But Coach Comet and the other reindeer on Santa's team are all males.

    * Revealing mistakes: When Clarisse and Mrs. Donner leave the cave to search for Rudolph, their shadows disappear as soon as they are out of the cave, indicating that they were removed as soon as they were out of range.
     
  17. Greg.K

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    LOL. Two more factual errors:

    - Hermie and Rudolph are running away, they are shown during several days and nights. But since the north pole region gets 24 horus of daylight in the summer and 24 hours of night in the winter, this is impossible.

    - Reindeer can't really talk or fly.
     
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    The Elf's voice changes because that part was dubbed in New York when the soundtrack album was being recorded, and the original Canadian voice actors were unavailable. Was the "Peppermint Mine" scene included? It's on the dvd. The only thing missing from the dvd are the original 1964 end credits, which were changed when the Santa returning to the Island of Misfit Toys scene was added for the 1965 broadcast. The end credits are lost (at least a color version of them. A black and white print exists.) The name Billie Richards (Rudolph) is misspelled in the 1965-2005 end credits. The song Fame and Fortune replaced "We're A Couple of Misfits" in 1965, and the backgrounds reflect that. The original song has been restored.
     

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