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Roy Rogers in TruColor and Uncut

Discussion in 'DVD' started by Richard--W, Dec 6, 2010.

  1. Josh Steinberg

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    If you haven’t already, check out the commentary on Kino’s BD for Trigger Jr. - Witney’s son is one of the participants (and Witney himself is heard thanks to archival recordings) and the influence that Witney had on Tarantino is one of the topics discussed. It’s a great listen!
     
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    A three color Trucolor will be shown on GritTV, Thursday July 5th, Noon to two EST. THE ROAD TO DENVER - 1955 with John Payne, Skip Homeier, Lee J, Cobb and Mona Freeman.

    Next on GRIT, for Roy Rogers, is another lost Trucolor, NIGHT TIME IN NEVADA-1948 with Andy Devine, Adele Mara, and Grant Withers. This is the last Rogers for Bob Nolan and the Sons of the Pioneers, but we will see Pat Brady again. Sloan Nibley writes and William Whitney directs. Roy has to protect Mara's legacy and, solve a murder and the hijacking of his herd from a moving train. GRIT will show this on Saturday July 7th at 6 A,M, to 7:30 A.M. Will they show it uncut?

    Here's an uncut B&W version from YouTube:




    Found another semi-restored Rogers, DOWN DAKOTA WAY, on YouTube, that, again, is nice, but too green!!!, Along with an upload of the old VHS to compare the color.






     
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    NIGHT TIME IN NEVADA is one of my favorite Rogers-Witney films (along with EYES OF TEXAS). Love the film noir style opening with Grant Withers narrating the action.
     
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    John/RBailey, I, too, enjoy Grant Withers, matter of fact, unconcerned , delivery in all his bad guy roles, and in his occasional good guy or red herring roles.

    So, yesterday the GRIT broadcast of NIGHT TIME IN NEVADA was a 53 minute version. It had an incorrect Republic logo at the beginning and end of the movie. The YouTube uncut version posted above has the correct logo, for this period.

    The GRIT print was rather nice and clean looking. Even if you have full length versions of Roy Rogers movies, it is still a good idea to take a look at the edited versions since they were made from the trimmed negatives and may actually look better than the uncut versions in the PD/collector market.

    The Republic logos changed over the years. Some of the Independence Hall Bell Tower versions were even animated and the bell swung and rang, before merging with the music from the movie. Sometimes on these older prints the logos come up silent or with generic music, that may be original or may have been attached by syndicators or private owners of the prints. Republic removed the logos, fore and aft, on the edited prints so the syndicators. (like MCA), could put on their own logos. The Paramount title cards from some of the Hopalong Cassidy movies are lost and what we see is the syndication company shown instead of Paramount.
     
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    I think EYES OF TEXAS was the first time we see Bullet. It was a character part where he was called Wolf and Roy saved him from the bad pack. Roy_Rogers.
     
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    GRIT showed three Roy Rogers Trucolor movies this week. The cut B&W version, NIGHT TIME IN NEVADA, an older green blue jeans uncut TRIGGER,Jr.. and an uncut NORTH OF THE GREAT DIVIDE, a print that has a Nostalgia Merchant logo before the Republic logo appears. The print is good but too dark in the night scenes and not popping sharp. The old Republic Home Video VHS looked pretty much the same.

    NORTH OF THE GREAT DIVIDE features Penny Edwards, riding Buttermilk, I think, and gives us an origin story for Bullet. Roy engages in a bullwhip fight with the dog heavy, Jack Lambert. Roy Barcroft is his boss. Annex - Rogers, Roy (North of the Great Divide)_NRFPT_01. This may be the only modern day Rogers movie that might be set in the past, the North West Indian tribe in the story is depicted as wearing buckskins and living in teepees and we don't see any cars. But the clothes worn back at Roy's office, and the uniforms of the mounties seem 1950. There is mention of it being Festival time for the tribe, so maybe that is why the buckskins for both of Roy's visits. An earlier Rogers movie, UNDER NEVADA SKIES-1946, had cars and also showed Indians in buckskins and teepees, but that was some kind of Frontier Days celebration, the Chief wore a modern western style suit when he was off the clock.
     
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    I'd love to see NORTH OF THE GREAT DIVIDE get the Kino Blu-Ray treatment. That whip fight between Roy and Lambert is something else.
     
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    That's Noble Johnson in the photo on the far right playing the chief, a black actor who played just about every race and ethnicity you can think of. He's best known as the native chief in KING KONG (1933). This was his last movie. He died in 1978 at the age of 96.
     
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    Trucolor SUNSET IN THE WEST-1950 is being shown on Grit, Saturday, Aug. 4, 6:00 A.M. to 7:30 A.M. We don't have to been concerned with this one since it is out on restored DVD and BluRay from Kino. A restored print was released in 1998, by Republic Home Video. GRIT should not be showing a cut version of this, but you never know.

    Sunday Aug. 5, GRIT has a Roy Rogers double feature from 8:00 A.M. to 11:00 A.M.

    SUSANNA PASS-1949 is first. Roy's a Game Warden. Dale Evans plays a feisty scientist and ex-Marine, so she gets to throw the comic relief, Martin Galarraga, around. Estelita Rodriguez is featured. The main villain is Doug Fowley, who wants the oil under a fish preserve. The uncut 1992 Republic Home Video release of Susanna Pass was too reddish and dark. The YouTube uploads of this are kind of blurry and faded. Interested to see what GRIT will show on this one. 48779.

    Next is GRAND CANYON TRAIL-1948, with Jane Frazee and Andy Devine. This is the first Rogers movie for Foy Willing and the Riders of the Purple Sage. Old prospector actor Emmett Lynn is also in this. Ex-Three Mesquiteer, Robert Livingston and Roy Barcroft are the bad guys after a lost silver mine. Another creepy rather unexpected murder occurs. The last time I caught this on GRIT it was cut, but it was a cleaner looking B&W print than the uncut B&W versions from Alpha on DVD and Sinister Cinema VHS. Grand Canyon Trail is one of the lost Trucolors, but the UCLA Film Archive lists full Trucolor elements for it, though. So maybe it is not lost anymore. yu. s-l1000right hand.

    (Some sources list THE GAY RANCHERO-1948 as the sixth lost Trucolor but that is around in an unrestored Trucolor, 62 or so minute version vs the 72 minute original runtime. Both the 62 minute Trucolor version and a 72 minute B&W version are on YouTube. If anyone has the Alpha version, I'd like to know the run time and if it is in Trucolor or B&W. Sinister sells the edited Trucolor version, but I don't have it. I do have a collector copy and the YouTubes.)

    On Thursday Aug.9, 11:30 A.M. to 1:00 P.M., GRIT will run TWILIGHT IN THE SIERRAS-1950. It concerns a counterfeit Gold Certificate story with a convict rehabilitation angle. Roy is a Parole Officer. Dale is the Deputy Sheriff. Pat Brady is a veterinarian. Estelita Rodriguez is on hand again, and George Meeker is the head counterfeiter. Another Rogers Trucolor that was on VHS from RHV. twilight-in-the-sierras.

    I see the YouTube uploads of DOWN DAKOTA WAY from post #182 have gone away. There are still other uploads of the semi-restored version and an edited version on YouTube. The edited one was posted by Roy's daughter.
     
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    Thanks for posting that great shot of Emmett Lynn from GRAND CANYON TRAIL. Nice to see James Finlayson get some work in this one.
     
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    SUZANNA PASS, on GRIT today, was another one of those very nice, uncut, but too green in the blue jeans prints, and the night scenes were a little too dark. But it was way better looking than the old Republic Home Video VHS, or any YouTube up the last time I looked. It had a World Vision/Spelling tag at the end along with a Paramount logo. I don't know off-hand when Paramount got the Republic library from Spelling, but it seems some of these restorations were taking place in the mid to late 1990s. GRIT will show SUSANNA PASS again, on Friday Aug. 17, at 12:00 Noon to 1:30 P.M.

    The GRIT print of GRAND CANYON TRAIL was as expected a 53 minute cut version and in B&W. It looked pretty sharp in some of the daytime scenes, not so much in the night scenes. It had a Republic logo at the beginning, probably replaced, and no logos after THE END. Bullet, Roy's dog, did not appear in GRAND CANYON TRAIL despite the above movie poster. GRAND CANYON TRAIL will be on GRIT again, on Tues. Aug. 21, at 12:00 Noon to 1:30 P.M.

    James Finlayson: hqdefault. thKH5AU4VK.
     
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    OOPS! Got my AMs and PMs mixed up., in post #189. TWILIGHT IN THE SIERRAS is on GRIT tonight 11:30 PM to 1:00 AM, not Thursday morning.
     
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    TWILIGHT IN THE SIERRAS, on GRIT, last night, was a full-length, nice, newer, Trucolor print that was too green again. Apparently, all the Trucolor Roy Rogers that were out on Republic Home Video on VHS were later remastered at some point, but the prints showing up on Grit and YouTube did not all go to the last step of color correction which would have made denim look blue instead of greenish. But the denim does look blue on the Kino SUNSET IN THE WEST and TRIGGER,JR. discs and also on the SPRING TIME IN THE SIERRAS print shown recently on GRIT.

    Dale rides her horse Buttermilk in, TWILIGHT IN THE SIERRAS. Look for western bad man Robert Wilkie in the lobby card below, as a helpful bus driver. House Peters, Jr., early TV's Mr. Clean, has a featured role. See old Roy and House and House as Mr. Clean below. It looks like 'one take Rogers', actually did lasso the run-away wagon himself, in this movie. 09. 32318. 2906594023_c5c0563c11_z. 2907441254_159f920375_b. 14_1950 Twilight in the Sierras.
     
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    I seem to recall House Peters, Jr. also being a baddie, menacing Roy in "Under California Stars" (1948). I usually associate Peters, however, as one of the regular villains in the late Monogram b-westerns, alongside Terry Frost, Pierce Lyden and company.
     
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