Robert DeNiro retrospective on the Bits

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  1. oscar_merkx

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    http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...nka010803.html
    This new guy Bob Banka certainly knows how to make a case how good DeNiro was and how he is throwing away his acting talents.
    Very thoroughly written and presented that I agree with some of what he is saying.
    Does anybody else share that opinion ?
     
  2. Joshua_Y

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    I really agree with the guy. DeNiro is no good anymore. So many great performances, but now a days he does crap, nothing but crap. Its really sad, such a waste. He's just kinda boring to watch now a days, the last good flick he was in was Ronin, The Score was pretty good, good actually, but that was mainly because of Ed Norton, DeNiro was just walkin through it. Heat and Casino were truly great films and when I watch those, I see a different Deniro, those were his last two great performances. Truth be told I've always preferred Jack Nicholson and Al Pacino to DeNiro.
     
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    He lost me in his first column, where he said:
     
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    Sorry, but I don't agree with the article.





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  5. Dan Rudolph

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    I agree with the part about Robert DeNiro being great, but not so much the rest of it.
     
  6. Marc Colella

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    I agree with the article.

    DeNiro has not only been in alot of crappy films, but he's sleepwalking through most of his performances.

    He never had great range, but was very good in that limited range. Now he can't even do that.
     
  7. Andrew_Sch

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    I'd have to say I agree with most of what the article has to say. I've loved DeNiro in every Scorsese film, Deer Hunter, and Heat. I don't mind him taking the occasional comedy (I'm a pretty big fan of Meet the Parents) to lighten things up a bit, but honestly, how long has it been since he's delivered a great performance in a great movie? From where I'm sitting, it's been about eight years.
     
  8. Joe D

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    Looking at anyone's career in a short period of time is a waste of time. All actor's go through periods of time where they don't find the great roles or they aren't offered the great roles.

    Do the studios want to produce a movie along the lines of Taxi Driver? WOuld that get green lighted today???

    De Niro is probably in the too old to play younger roles and too young to play older roles where he is limited in the selection of his roles.
     
  9. Dome Vongvises

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    With the great career Robert De Niro's had and with the joy and entertainment he's provided to audiences worldwide, he's more than entitled to whatever movie projects he feels like taking.

    Personally, I don't see the purpose of the article. Every actor/actress has a period of greatness followed or preceded by mediocrity. Robert De Niro's not an exception.
     
  10. Jay E

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    At one time DeNiro was my favorite actor, I use to look forward to every film he appeared in. Not every film he appeared in was successful, but at least they had aspirations of rising above the blandness and cookie cutter approach of most Hollywood films. But after sitting through much of the crap he's decided to appear in over the past 10 years, he's become just another actor to me. I have lost a lot of respect for him as he seems to have given up on the challenges of acting, all in wants to do is act in films that characterize his former film roles. He even declined to appear in Gangs of New York because he didn't want to go to Italy!!It's sad to see such talent go to waste, sadder to see an actor lose his passion for acting. Makes me appreciate actors such as Jack Nicholson even more, who's still willing to accept roles that challenge and engage his talent.
     
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  13. Scott McGillivray

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    Count me in as a huge fan of Mr. DeNiro. I think he is one of THE top actors of the last 25 years. Just look again at his body of work. Sure, there are a few stinkers in there, but the guy has some of the great movies of the past few decades as well.
    Range? Sure he has range! Look at "Taxi Driver" then go to "The King of Comedy" and then "Awakenings" and then "Cape Fear." That is a pretty wide range of characters. I think a lot of the problem the audience has in watching him is the emotion WE put on the character. We know it is DeNiro. We know him as a tough guy and so we tend to layer the other characters we remember him as on top of what he is doing. This is true of any well known actor. Can you imagine watching James Gandolfini (from "The Sopranos") and not have the mob boss character "Tony" in mind?
    I am confident that we will see additional great films from Mr. DeNiro.
     
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    One thing I try always to keep in mind when I write is what would the subject of my musings feel about my words. That doesn't mean I filter to avoid offending, but it DOES mean I don't fling accusations or say things I don't mean.

    I would never lamblast a successful and talented actor like DeNiro as Mr. Banka has, at the length and detail he has, for the flimsy reasons given in the article. Basically, Banka's argument boils down to "I don't like comedies and sequels, and DeNiro should return to pictures where he digs deep into himself and generates a totally new character each and every time he appears on screen".

    Who is he to tell DeNiro which projects to or not to accept? Who's he to tell DeNiro to stop exploring his comedic actor side? Who's he to tell DeNiro to stop considering finances in how he manages his schedule as an actor? There are more folks in the audience than just Banka, and last I checked DeNiro was still a respected and perhaps even beloved actor. Certainly he's successful, and has a earned level of respect both within and without his profession. While I have definitely not viewed the entirety of DeNiro's portfolio, I always look forward to hearing or seeing what he's in next, and will look at projects simply because he's attached. I'm quite sure I'm not the only one, and am also certain everyone has actors and directors and all the other myriad and sundry job titles and skill sets who they enjoy seeing work from.
     
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    I just wanted to list the films DeNiro starred in up till 1986. Pretty damn impressive, not only for the films themselves, but for the diversity & demands of the roles he chose. If people don't see a difference in this list compared to the films he's starring in now, then all I have to say is that we have completely different tastes in films.

    Mission, The
    Brazil
    Falling in Love
    Once Upon a Time in America
    King of Comedy, The
    True Confessions
    Raging Bull
    Deer Hunter, The
    New York, New York
    Last Tycoon, The
    1900
    Taxi Driver
    Godfather: Part II,
    Mean Streets
    Bang the Drum Slowly
     
  16. Bob Banka

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    I should respond to Alan's post.

    RE The quote posted from my first article. When I stated that younger folks don't know what they're missing, the reference is to how the theaters used to be cleaner, cheaper and more comfortable. I'm in no way saying, nor do I mean to imply, that younger viewers don't know good films when they see them. I'm not sure how you could read what I've written as a slight on teens or twenty-somethings. If the article wasn't clear to that point, please do accept my apoligies.

    Also, please note that the only other web site I've written for, and am still writing for, is Jeff McNeal's The BIG Picture, and there I only post DVD reviews, not articles of the sort I'm posting over at The Digital Bits.

    Anyway, again I apologize if you misunderstood my meaning in the article.

    Cheers,
    Bob Banka
     
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    In reponse to David's post:

    "Who is he to tell DeNiro which projects to or not to accept? Who's he to tell DeNiro to stop exploring his comedic actor side? Who's he to tell DeNiro to stop considering finances in how he manages his schedule as an actor?"

    Who am I? I'm Spiderman!

    No, actually I'm just a film fam with an opinion and The Digital Bits has been kind enough to give me a forum on which I can present it. I have opinions and I'm sharing them. No more and no less.

    Anyway, agree or disagree with the article - I hope it was at least a good read.

    Cheers,
    Bob Banka
     
  18. Jun-Dai Bates

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    I didn't think that the article was very good, but I think that the phenomenon that inspired it is an interesting one, one very much worth discussing.

    To begin with, I disagree entirely with this statement about DeNiro
     
  19. Paul Case

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    Personally, I think the article on The Bits is very poor in quality. It is pointless and serves no real purpose other than to give somebody the opportunity to whine about how they dislike where DeNiro is going these days. I see that kind of thing every day on internet message boards. Where is the need for actual articles of the same low caliber? I'm sorry that I wasted my time reading it, and I hope that the next article posted on The Bits actually has something useful and insightful to say.

    As for DeNiro, he is still a fantastic actor. He is in a bit of a slump at the moment as far as material goes, but I have no doubt that he will eventually come back with another masterful performance.
     
  20. LeeG

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    Don't agree with buttered popcorn man. In recent times, after watching Heat, 15 Seconds, and The Score I feel no disappointment. After happening to watch the incredible Ronin last night on my HT, I'm still buzzing--wow, that will give your system a workout. And I've actually enjoyed his recent comedies and felt no disappointment there either.

    Personally I'm not a "fan" in the sense that I have no DeNiro altars burning in my house. But I really enjoy watching him on screen for the last 30 years. And I actually think his recent work is better than ever, because he acts for the role and not for him. Ronin was a wonderfully controlled performance, perfect for the role. Showtime required a dour, cynical performance, opposite a manic Murphy. It fit the role.

    Still, I do agree that he is tending to go for the big money productions and I wouldn't mind seeing him in a nice, little black-and-white Memento type indie, just for a change.
     

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