Ridley Scott, Underachiever Extraordinaire!

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  1. AaronP

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    ok, in the last 2 years, Ridley Scott has come out with

    Gladiator

    Hannibal

    Black Hawk Down

    IMO these were all very good movies, however, I think that all of em were not nearly as good as they could have been. It was like they were each missing something special, that magical intangible thing that differentiates a good movie from a great one. I can't put my finger on it exactly.

    I guess a sports analogy would be best. Imagine Ridley Scott was the St. Louis Rams. He's had the best material to work with, and he's been very successful, however he should have been able to do more. I don't know, it's just a feeling I have.

    What do you guys think?
     
  2. AaronP

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    dyslexic AaronP! I meant to put Ridley Scott's name first in the title! WOW, I must be tired. My in my brain I had his name in front, but what I typed came out the other way!
     
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    Ridley Scott's da man! And thats all I got to say about that!
     
  4. AaronP

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    thanks for the insightful reply bro! [​IMG]
     
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    I think Ridley Scott's period of underachievment was between 1982 to 2000 (OK, I have a slight soft spot for Black Rain and Thelma & Louise, so my premise is a little shaky). He is on a rare hot streak career-wise, IMHO. Hannibal has been growing on me lately and even before, I always liked the parts of the film set in Italy. My only beef with his recent films is that his fondness for fast cutting coupled with high shutter speeds has made me feel ill during some of his action sequences. [​IMG]
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    Aaron, I edited your header. I also took the liberty of correcting the spelling. [​IMG]
    M.
     
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    I have th opposite reaction. I think he's managed to take films that could well end up forgettable fluff and turned out some remarkable films. Heck, I liked all three of those films immensely. Considering how much people hated the source material for Hannibal, I would have to say that he turned in an beautiful film. And Gladiator did happen to get the Oscar. Now that isn't to say that it will be held in high regard years for now or instead lumped in with the "what was the Academy thinking?" category (and I'm sure some of you are saying that now [​IMG] ). But I think he's pretty well consistent in his ability to provide blockbusters with substance and style.
     
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    Since you asked, I personally think that Ridley Scott is an overrated hack.

    While I didn't think that Gladiator was downright terrible, it was certainly nothing to write home about. Best Picture? Please, not by a long shot.

    As for Hannibal, I consider it to be in the top 10 worst movies I've ever seen in my life. Absolute drivel.

    I refuse to risk the price of a ticket on Black Hawk Down.

    That being said, I greatly admire one (and only one) of Scott's films, that being Thelma and Louise. But that film is so uncharacteristic of Scott's typical work (characters are actually developed in more than one dimension and gross-out scenes are completely avoided) that I'm not sure I really believe he directed it.
     
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    Rain, if Ridley Scott had done nothing for the past 25 years, his place in cinema history would be assured on the strength of Alien and Blade Runner alone. The influence of each of those two films on the look and style of films that came afterward is undeniable.

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    I agree with Rain, Alien and Blade Runner are very overrated.

     
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    If you think that cinematographers and set designers just pull these things together without a director leading the way, you and I have a different understanding of filmmaking. And Scott is well-known, and acknowledged by the people who work with him, for providing a strong vision of how a film's visuals should be designed to tell the story.
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    I think a good case could be made that Ridley Scott is more of a style over substance director, but he's more subtle, than the more bombastic directors (Michael Bay), and since he's got the art background, the visual sense within his films are very well done. When you see a Ridley Scott film, you do get immersed in the universe which the film takes place. The stumbling comes from getting the emotional content conveyed to the viewer with most of the stories in his films. Perhaps he doesn't go far enough in peeling away the entire onion to get his point across.

    But he's not a hack director.
     
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    I'm not a huge Ridley fan, but with the notable exception of "Legend", I have not noticed a pattern of bad performances in his films. His biggest weakness I have observed is a tendency to overdesign and to seemingly trust his editorial crew more than his performers (paging Baz Luhrmann [​IMG]), but I have liked his most recent films to varying degrees.
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    If he's a hack, he's a self-admitted hack. He basically confessed to stealing the look of his "Gladiator" action sequences from "Saving Private Ryan" in the audio commentary for Gladiator.[​IMG]
     

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