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Removal of Lillian Gish name from University theater

Discussion in 'Movies' started by atcolomb, Jun 19, 2019.

  1. JohnRice

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    That was extremely dishonest, by using only 1/2 of the quote in an attempt to make it say what you want, which is in fact the opposite of what was said. A period was even added in place of a comma, to make it sound like the complete statement.
     
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    Ron Lee Green

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    Wait! You're telling me they're judging Ms. Gish's character by a character she portrayed in a movie 100 years ago? Give me a break!
     
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    Guess the university forgot about her other movie, also a Griffith picture titled "Intolerance."
     
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    It wasn't dishonest at all, though I probably should have quoted the entire sentence. I was specifically addressing that second sentence, to which I disagree. I do agree with the rest of the post pointing out the hypocrisy.
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    I saw the report and in it says "We can point to any of the other 118 roles that Lillian Gish played, but her part in The Birth of a Nation is the role that defined—and continues to define--her career". Have to disagree about that statement because other films like Broken Blossoms, The Wind and to today's audience's The Night of the Hunter also define her career. She had a long career acting in many great films and not just in The Birth of a Nation.
     
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    Um, does the University even understand the concept of contract actors? They often had no choice in what roles they were assigned.
     
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    Yes, that is exactly what happens in certain cases. Sometimes you have to exclude the drunk, abusive relative(s) from the holiday get togethers so that more of the family feel free to show up and be able to enjoy themselves without being reminded of past abuse.
     
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    So, after each member of the Bowling Green "Task Force" had actually viewed each and every one of the 118 Lillian Gish films, they still collectively felt that "The Birth of a Nation" was really and truly the most defining role of her career? Gosh, I wonder how long it took them all to watch these films; or did they? It would be quite an astounding thing to discover that all 118 of the Lillian Gish films were still in existence and available on their campus; or did someone just conveniently grab that number off of Wikipedia to make it look like an actual research? I understand the controversies over "The Birth of a Nation"; and never to minimize it; but that quote of "We can point to any of the other 118 roles that Lillian Gish played..." sounds suspect, overreaching, highly unlikely and far from any one of their actual viewing experiences.
     
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    I saw Gish onstage in Uncle Vanya. Does that make her a communist? However, I must point out that she did belong to the America First Movement...
     
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    She couldn't even vote for President of the United States of America in 1915- let alone tell her boss she wouldn't particular role for any reason ...
     
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    Miss Gish is dead. She cannot hurt anyone.
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    Agreed. But that had zero to do with either of my posts.
     
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    I've only seen her in two films - Birth of a Nation and Night of the Hunter. They came at different ends of her career but they still showed how good she was. She is one of the few people who were able to make the transition from the silent era to talkies.

    It was nice to see James Earl Jones in the list of people supporting the restoration of the Gish name. If a black person who lived through times when black people were openly persecuted can get this, why can't the rest of the world?
     
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    I'm sure there are more black people that are against this overreaction such as myself. It's misguided as well as wrong and the University needs to correct that mistake. This is an opportunity for a teaching moment for the University as to our film history and to do so in a more constructive manner that will help our society going forward.
     
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    I have avoided this discussion because it makes me so angry. I have lived through all this before. "Are you or have you ever been a communist?" Now it is "Are you or have you ever been a racist?"
    Revisionist thinking is always a bad idea and book burning (or it's equivalent) is always a bad idea.
     
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    It’s simple. This move is absurd. The explanation just makes it worse.
     
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    I should like to think that Lillian Gish's career would best be remembered and defined within her ultimate role as a generous benefactor; which enabled a newer generation of students to discover their own paths of artistry through education, nurture and enlightenment.
    This, at least, is how I would like to imagine the scenario at hand.
     

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