Whats the lowest price seen on the internet? I've narrowed it down to the 3805 after comparing it to the Harman Kardon AVR-630 and Yamaha RX-V2400 and the new Sherwood Newcastle P-865. Mostly just on specs and features as I haven't really had the oportunity to listen to any of them as a direct comparison between them is impossible anyway. To add to that to listen to each would be a lot of travel in my area. I am however gonna give a listen to the denon today. I know that I won't have a warranty but considering that it costs $2000CAD I really don't want to pay that much. I also have a US adress to use. I've seen $899US but anyone seen it lower. B-stock, refurbished or open box and even slightly used is fine. As long it is as new-ish condition(no flaws) Also how easy is the remote to use? Anyone giving it a 4 ohm load?