Hi guys, I'm new to this forum and looking to set up my first surround sound system. Budget roughly $1500. I'm a young guy living with roommates, and this would be for my 14x17 bedroom. I will probably hook them up to a Denon 1802 receiver. It is important that the setup be good for DPLII music and TV, more so than strictly DVD playback (also they will be used for computer games). One of my concerns is good, off-axis, "fill the room" sound because I can't really fit my TV-viewing and computer-using positions all within a narrow sweet spot (and I'd also like to listen to music while lying on my bed and such). Speakers I am considering (not including sub): 5 x nOrh 4.0 (black ceramic, $850?) 2 x nOrh 5.1, 3 x nOrh 4.0 (black ceramic, $950?) HTD Level III (4 mains and center, $540) HTD Level III (2 tower, 2 mains, center $770) Aperion Audio 5.1 (950) Questions: If anyone has used the nOrh speakers here, how are they for space? The dimensions say they are a foot and a half long, and if they're rear-firing probably this means the surrounds would take up a fair bit of space in the rear corners. Also, would having 5.1 mains make a substantial improvement to the overall sound? (I am assuming I can get the package deals with ceramic as well as wood since some people on the web seem to report doing so, and I've read that the ceramics sound better) What kind of stand works well with nOrhs, where would one get that sort of thing? The Aperion's got a good review from cheaphometheatre.com, they were compared to the nOrhs in everything but off-axis sound and are smaller (though pricier). Has anyone used/compared them? How would the cheap HTD III system compare to these? I know it wouldn't be quite as good, but it's also a fair bit cheaper. What are the feelings about this? And then, there's the sub issue... I know that I basically couldn't go wrong by buying an HSU-VTF2, the cheaper SVS sub, or the 12" sub with the Aperions. These are 500+ dollar options though, which might be a bit wasted since I'm wary of pissing people off with huge bass (and BOOM-BOOM home theatre isn't my main application). Also the room is 14x17, I have been told that really low frequencies will probably be pretty muted in it anyway since the long sound waves will reflect back and forth and cancel each other out. So how would the following options look? - Get the 8" sub with the Aperions (300 bucks of 5.1 package) - Get the 12" HTD Level III sub for 270 dollars - Get the 12" Sony SA-WM40 sub for 150-200 dollars Are there other good recommendations for a sub in the 200-300 dollar range? What would be a good sub to mate to the nOrh speakers for a small room? Thanks guys! (By the way this is my first post. I'm a system software engineer for the ZiVA5 DVD processor, working at what used to be C-Cube Microsystems and is now LSI Logic Broadband Entertainment Division. I live in San Jose, and have never had a good home speaker setup, but have wanted one for a while and now I have some spare cash).