Rear/Surround help!!!

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  1. ChrisMcK

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    Is it better to have 2 Dipole speakers as rear surrounds or can I use the same speakers as the left and right main as rear surrounds. Right now I have 2 MC200's from Cambridge Soundworks as my left and right mains. Will these be ok to use as surrounds also??
     
  2. Rich Malloy

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    There's no "better", only your preference!

    I recently swithed from dipole surrounds to monopole surrounds, and while they don't reproduce highly ambient sounds like rainstorms, wind, traffic noise, etc., as well as dipoles, they do everything else better. Pin-point imaging across the sides and rear, perfect timbral-matching of instruments, and an overall more cohesive soundstage.

    And since I listen to alot of multichannel music on SACD, the monopole was the only way to go for me.

    If you are primarily a "movie-first" guy, then it's down to your preference. If music is important to you, then I'd recommend monopole (though dipoles do well on ambient crowd sounds in live performances).
     
  3. ChrisMcK

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    So if I were to use a speaker that can be manually switched between Dipole and monopole I would/could have the best of both worlds - possiblly
     
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    So long as it's a quality speaker and tonally/timbrally matches your other speakers!

    Although in my experience, I think I'd only ever use the dipole setting for the occasional pro-logic soundtrack. I think discrete 5.1/6.1 soundtracks simply sound better with monopole speakers.

    Impressions from others besides me would be helpful, but you need to be sure to satisfy your ears. If you can manage an in-home demo (many speaker manufacturers offer a 30-day trial), then that will answer your questions completely.
     
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    I'm going through Cambridge Soundworks which offers a 45 day trial period so I'll probably use the same as the main left and right speaker, these should work fine?
    Again, I apologize for my ignorance - I just want the best for my dollars
     
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    If it were me, I'd do exactly what you propose: I'd use the exact same speaker in every channel possible. This can be difficult for the center speaker 'cause of that pesky TV screen getting in the way, but if one of your options is to use the very same speaker model for front mains and surrounds, then I say "go for it!". IMO, that's the only way to get a perfectly seamless integration of sound.

    But understand that there remain some die-hard dipole fans... (not sure why they're not chiming in here)
     
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    I'm kind of stuck in the same situation here - deciding between dipoles and monopoles. Thing is, Rich, you said that dipoles create ambient noise a lot better than monopoles do for surrounds, but isn't that what surrounds almost always do?

    Most explosions and actions are played in the front two speakers, dialogue comes from the center, and ambient sounds/environment are usually played on all 4 speakers, so most of the time the rears are just playing ambient sound, except for that random gun firing behind you every several minutes or so (at most).

    I have dipoles right now, but am seriously considering monopoles for surrounds, so any other feedback from both sides would be appreciated [​IMG]
     
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    Below is a reply from Cambridge soundworks on the question I asked about using the same speakers as my mains for rear surrounds

    As for the surround speakers, you could use either the MC200s (which are my L&R mains) or the S200s (these are Dipole speakers). The S200s will give you
    an enhanced surround effect similar to the Surround II 5.1 (what I'm currently using for rears), but they are also tonally matched to
    your front speakers. The Surround II 5.1s are more closely matched to the classic CSW speakers
    (Ensemble, Ensemble II, etc).

    Let me know what you think of this response
     
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    I really don't want to allocate the extra cash for 2 additional MC 300's. So what I'll probably do is fo with with and additional 2 MC 200's as rears. So my speaker set up will be

    MC 200 x 4 (left and right mains, left and right surrounds0
    MC 300 Center channel
    CSW Powered Sub

    Let me know what you think of this. I'm hoping it will sound better than it does with the 5.1 surrounds
     
  12. Rich Malloy

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    I think that'd be the easiest solution, but take advantage of that in-home demo period. It really takes time to gauge whether a system is sufficient for you, and how well it works with a variety of source materials.

    And remember also that CSW has the one-year trade-in deal (they still have that, right?), where you can upgrade to a better speaker model and get full credit on a trade-in of your current CSW gear. That is, you could upgrade to MC300s or MC500s and pay only the difference on trade-in. A very good deal IMO.
     

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