Real 4K Releases? (1 Viewer)

[Johnny Angell]

Is there a list somewhere that shows which 4K blu's are really from a 4K source and not uprezzed?

 

[Sam Posten]

Yeah check AVS. My option: it doesn't matter. HDR > resolution. There's a lot bigger things to blow your outrage budget on.

 

[Blasst]

Long time AVS member myself. You can check this AVS thread for 4K HDR titles, http://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...ailable-4k-hdr-titles-will-updated-often.html

And this is a decent site to check for real 4K, though he hasn't updated in a while. http://realorfake4k.com/

 

[Johnny Angell]

Yeah check AVS. My option: it doesn't matter. HDR > resolution. There's a lot bigger things to blow your outrage budget on.

I'm not outraged. I just keep reading that such-and-such 4K disc isn't much different than an HD blu ray. The usual reason it the source is uprezzed. Not all 4K discs are created equal.

 

[DavidMiller]

With a couple exceptions most 4K releases are better then the HD Blu-ray release. Reduced banding, broader color spectrum, better contrasts, etc. If you where watching strait 4K (non-HDR) to Blu-ray then I would say there is very little reason to upgrade because your TV can uprezz almost as good. If you go to the Blu-ray.com 4K reviews they have a clear measurement. 2.5 equals the HD Blu-ray anything above that is better in someway then the HD Blu-ray. I think the last time I looked through the 138 reviews only 5-6 where equal to or below.

 

[gadgtfreek]

I've got many under my belt now, in a calibrated system (for HDR) with good equipment, and here are my feelings:

• Dont focus on 2K DI vs 4K DI; useless argument
• 1080p Blu is obviously 1080p Blu now, when I watch one. Not saying 1080p Blu has become ugly or there is a huge leap, but its obvious UHD is superior in about every way.
• My eyes have already taken UHD for granted and the WOW has worn off some, but as stated above, throw in the Blu version and you will notice the difference.

Im sold and will buy UHD versions all day long.

 

[Robert Harris]

The difference between 2k and 4k becomes obvious, only when comparing more highly resolveable details, captured in 4k.

65mm, VVLA, TLA origination shines, showing a major difference between true 4k and uprezzed data.

The problem, aside from a few large sensor 4k DIs, is the lack of large format film, which have been temporarily set aside, because of the mindset that HDR is somehow a necessity.

It isn't.

Having seen tests, the the imagery is amazing.

 

[Dave Upton]

Robert,

Are you saying you prefer a good source to HDR? I ask because I look at a film like Passengers, filmed on Arri Alexa 65 and it looks amazing in 4K, but with HDR it looks even better. I can't really imagine one without the other.

 

[Robert Harris]

Robert,

Are you saying you prefer a good source to HDR? I ask because I look at a film like Passengers, filmed on Arri Alexa 65 and it looks amazing in 4K, but with HDR it looks even better. I can't really imagine one without the other.

You're correct. Generally. More or less.

We need to differentiate between new productions, either recorded to data or film, designed to take advantage of HDR, as opposed to an HDR martini, in which data is processed with HDR gently waved over the hard drive.

Passengers is a superb example of large format data, with HDR added.

My Fair Lady, which originated as 65mm fillum, looks almost otherworldly in 4k, and with zero HDR, which not only isn't necessary, but would damage the imagery.

To answer your question directly, yes, I prefer a good source first.

If that source is applicable toward the use of HDR, great.

But HDR is neither necessary, nor useful for many productions.

 

[Dave Upton]

You're correct. Generally. More or less.

We need to differentiate between new productions, either recorded to data or film, designed to take advantage of HDR, as opposed to an HDR martini, in which data is processed with HDR gently waved over the hard drive.

Passengers is a superb example of large format data, with HDR added.

My Fair Lady, which originated as 65mm fillum, looks almost otherworldly in 4k, and with zero HDR, which not only isn't necessary, but would damage the imagery.

To answer your question directly, yes, I prefer a good source first.

If that source is applicable toward the use of HDR, great.

But HDR is neither necessary, nor useful for many productions.

A fair point, I'm certainly not in favor of adding HDR to legacy titles that it doesn't make sense for. I'm simply stating that to me, the two are extremely complementary when the production itself was 4K ready from the start. It's disappointing to me how much better large format films like Passengers look than those that are not.

 

[gadgtfreek]

I also think HDR should be used properly, I like the subtle pop it adds. Using Fantastic Beasts as an example, the big rhino like thing that wanted to mate, the glowing area of the head in the dark park was cool, same thing with like neon signs at night, car lights, etc... Contrast ratio is the most powerful thing for image quality IMO, other than accuracy.

 

[Johnny Angell]

We need to differentiate between new productions, either recorded to data or film, designed to take advantage of HDR, as opposed to an HDR martini, in which data is processed with HDR gently waved over the hard drive.

My Fair Lady, which originated as 65mm fillum, looks almost otherworldly in 4k, and with zero HDR, which not only isn't necessary, but would damage the imagery.

BTW, you're not saying there's a 4K disc of MFL out there, are you?

 

[Robert Harris]

BTW, you're not saying there's a 4K disc of MFL out there, are you?

I'm only referencing what I've seen of 4k tests, and our DCP.

 

[SAhmed]

4K My Fair Lady - count me in!

Regards

 

[Johnny Angell]

I'm only referencing what I've seen of 4k tests, and our DCP.

So they could release a 4K of MFL?

 

[Robert Harris]

So they could release a 4K of MFL?

Anyone can release a 4k of anything to which they hold rights, even if not even 2k. Keep in mind that 4k, like HD is merely a container holding whatever data is placed within.

If someone desired to release MFL, it would be true 4k, as the restoration was finished in 4k, from 8k data files.

 

[Carlo_M]

"So you're telling me there's a chance..."

 

[Robert Harris]

"So you're telling me there's a chance..."

There's a chance of any film arriving on 4k.

 

[Mike2001]

What color space was used for the 4K MFL you cite?

 

[Johnny Angell]

There's a chance of any film arriving on 4k.

But there's a 4K restoration. A bona fide 4K from 8K. Wow. Why don't they release it? I'll buy on release do and I don't often do that.