RCA vs Philips vs Toshiba ?!

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  1. scott_freeland

    scott_freeland Auditioning

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    Hi everyone. Long time lurker, finally making the plunge.
    After weeks and weeks of research, I have narrowed it down to 3:
    RCAP61310
    Philips55PP9701
    Toshiba57H81/57HX81
    I really like the RCA because it already has the HD decoder and a DirecTV box built in, but I have yet to find a retailer in my area that carries it and I am reticent to purchase it without seeing the picture quality. It seems to be readily available for around $2500-$2700
    The Toshiba is certainly well regarded around here, but the one on display at Best Buy was clearly not tuned at all. A very red picture. If I go this way I will almost certainly spend the extra $200 for the HX.
    The Philips at Best Buy had a great picture, but that may be due to the Auto Convergence. Costco has this model for under $2000.
    1) Any comments from owners of the RCA?
    2) Any info on how much tweaking the Philips needs after it does its auto convergence?
    3) Any overall suggestions?
    TIA!
    -scott
     
  2. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Scott,
    I can not comment "specificly" on the model RCA that you
    are speaking of. But I do have an RCA HomeTheater P61926
    61" Non HDTV with a 3 line digital comb filter and 900 lines
    horizontal resolution. The picture is better than every set
    I looked at when I purchsed the tv (Hitachi,Sony,Pioneer,
    Toshiba and Phillips)
    I could not get over how clear the image was and how wide
    of a viewing angle the set has compared to others. I did
    have a capacitor go bad in the set 7 months into owning it
    and was repaired under warranty very promptly by RCA.
    I would buy anoter!
    Other nice features are:
    User adjustable Blue/Red/Green Convergence
    True 6500K Color Temperature Setting (along with cool and norm)
    Guide+ Built in for sheduled recording and to see what's comming on.
     
  3. Chad Isaacs

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    Hey Brett,how far away are you sitting from your set?I was thinking of doing fp but the apartment I just moved into is not going to be a good place to do fp and a set like that might fit my needs/budget.
    I,well,depending on how deep the cabinet is would be anywhere from 15-13' from nose to screen,mabey somting smaller wuld work better...I hate seeing scan lines.
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  4. Brett DiMichele

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    Chad,
    I sit anywhere between 5' and 8-10' depending on where I
    sit and I rarely see any sort of scan lines. I have yet to
    see scan lines on any DVD but I have on normal broadcast on
    some of the weaker stations.
    I think the 3 line digital comb in the RCA does a fine job.
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  5. scott_freeland

    scott_freeland Auditioning

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    Brett-
    Hey that looks like a nice set.
    I'm still hunting around to find a retailer in town who carries RCA. So far none at Best Buy, Fries, or Circuit City.
    I am surprised that nobody in these groups has (or will admit to have) the P61310. On paper it looks pretty sweet.
    Maybe the fact that nobody has one should tell me something?
    -scott
     
  6. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Scott,
    I think what you are seeing is that people are easily swayed
    into purchases by people on this forum and elsewhere. People
    brag up Tosh Hitachi Pioneer etc. In the real world when I
    compared the RCA to said units there simply was absolutely
    no comparison. My RCA has a far better picture than my
    Mother's fiance's Pioneer 16:9 HDTV which cost close to 5K
    I actualy feel bad for him that he let BestBlunder talk him
    into the purchase of such a pathetic RPTV that not only has
    a poor picture but also has the most anemic sound I have
    ever heard.
    The choice is yours.. Look at them all and then decide what
    list of features and picture quality you like best and then
    buy that set.
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    Scott, the RCA and the Philips ARE available at Circuit City, how do I know, I am an A/V sales manager. Hitachi designed the guns for the RCA and it is an awesome set, my only complaint is the menu system is slow since it all runs through the built in DTC-100. The picture on this set is awesome!!! Although my RCA rep who knows nothing by the way denies the rumor I have heard of a new model in the up and coming months which may be why the west coast is out of this model. You might want to wait a little to see the RCA Scenium product line come out soon, they have a 50" LCOS RPTV capable of 720p and 1080i and will be at Circuit City.
    The Philips is also a Hitachi design but much less subtle, even the menu is the same as the Hitachi tvs however the guns are not as nice as the UDX/UWX sets.
    The best TV I have seen for the money is the Hitachi 53SWX10B, after I calibrated it I couldn't believe it!!! I am also excited about Sony and their XBR2 line of projection sets with a built in HDTV box which will be in stores in the next couple of months.
    Cort
    ps if you have any questions just e mail me, I am glad to help!!
     
  8. Brett DiMichele

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    Courtney,
    The new Scentium line from RCA looks great.. Can't wait to
    see some of the Scentium RPTV's in the stores. If the image
    quality is the same or better than my current RCA set which
    I am sure it will be, Then the Scentiums will again outshine
    the competition!
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    Scott,
    I have seen several display models of the 3 sets you asked about. I agree that the RCA, when it is working properly, does have an excellent picture, but I am VERY concerned about their reliability. At several different stores that I went to view the RCA they either did not have it on display or it was obviously not functioning properly. I had 2 different stores tell me that they had to take their display models down because of repeated failures. But I have seen both a 61310 and the 65" Scenium that were working properly and the picture was very good. If you get on that doesn't have any problems it could be very good.
    I have not been impressed with Hitachi. They do look fine with a progressive scan DVD or HD input, but IMO the line doubler and NTSC tuner are not very good. If most or all of your viewing is going to be DVDs and HD, then the Hitachi could be a good set.
    I like the Toshibas and Pioneer (SD533/643) sets because they seem to do it all pretty well. Both have very good or excellent picture quality, line doubles, NTSC tuners and DVD/HD performance, as good as or better than the RCA, Hitachi or Sony, I feel. COmpared to the Toshiba, the Pioneer sets have somewhat better picture and build and have one of the best line doublers on the market. But the Pioneers also cost quite a bit more than the Toshiba HX models and it is a personal choice as to whether the improvements are worth the extra cost.
    Good luck with your shooping.
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  10. scott_freeland

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    Dan-
    I have the same concerns about the reliability of the RCA. I have a preconceived notion that RCA TV's are 'inferioir'. I have nothing to base that on, it's just my perception.
    I think I am leaning towards the Toshiba 57HX81.
    -scott
     
  11. Brett DiMichele

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    Scott,
    Sort of like people preconcieve that Honda makes the best
    cars on the road. Yet one trip to alldata.com shows the
    list of flaws (Technical Service Bulletins) that every
    car in thier line has, just like every other car produced.
    It's a shame that RCA was one of the very first companies
    to produce TV's and now they have an "Inferior" name?
    Ohh well not to me [​IMG]
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    I have a RCA MM52110 and have been very pleased with it. Found the RCA's to represent good value for money, worth looking at.
     
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    Brett-
     
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  15. Brett DiMichele

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    Dan,
    Sorry to hear that.. You missed out on a great set due to
    what some store tells ya..
    How many Panny Plasma owners do you think are furious when
    thier 6K set goes "Pop" in a years time?
    There are flaws with every product made by these human hands
    of ours. I had a problem with my RCA that was promptly fixed
    by an authorized repair center. It was a problem with one of
    the many Capacitors in the set. Does RCA have control over
    a cap going bad that they don't even manufacture? Nope.
    There are no doubt people who have had bad problems with RCA
    just as there are people who have or are having problems
    with any piece of electronics reguardless of the name on the
    front.
    Just my $0.02
     
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  17. Brett DiMichele

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    Brian,
    I know this is a TV forum but I want to elaborate on the
    Honda analogy. Any company can have a top rated product when
    they pay off review companies (Much like BMW does with Motor
    Trend)
    If you go to www.alldata.com you will actualy see that Honda
    Motor Corp does NOT want people to see these records at all.
    It's sad when you have to protect your corporate image by
    hiding the facts from the consumer.
    Hondas break like any other car...
    I now return you to your previously scheduled programming!
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    Consumer Reports can be bought off?
    Brian
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