Raiders: Ford forgotten (1 Viewer)

[jcroy]

The point was more that people are toxic and love to give others shit when they don’t know something. I find it much more interesting and meaningful learning things from people casually and organically, rather than keeping a written list of everything I hear in life that I am unfamiliar with and slavishly looking it all up on the internet later.

On the other side of the coin, offline in person I frequently "play possum" and "feign ignorance" as a reverse psychology way to figure out how much a person knows about something.

In practice I've found that most "loudmouths'" knowledge of a particular topic/subject, frequently wasn't much greater than a wikipedia page or something straight out of a popular press book. In the few cases where somebody had great in depth knowledge of something, was typically somebody who was an expert and/or an "insider".

 

[RobertR]

The point was more that people are toxic and love to give others shit when they don’t know something. I find it much more interesting and meaningful learning things from people casually and organically, rather than keeping a written list of everything I hear in life that I am unfamiliar with and slavishly looking it all up on the internet later.

And this isn’t just my social circle, it’s my immediate family, teachers in school, peers that aren’t “friends”, co-workers, etc. And I’m just sharing my thoughts here. I know these people exist and there’s nothing I can do about it, but it’s nice to share and hopefully people who relate can get something out of knowing we are not alone. If anyone doesn’t relate that’s great, but there’s no need to minimize my complaints.

You say you want to learn things "from people casually and organically", but then you complain about how painful it is (dirty looks, etc.). Why subject yourself to that? Why not simply learn for yourself? What's "slavish" about taking the initiative?

 

[Tommy R]

You say you want to learn things "from people casually and organically", but then you complain about how painful it is (dirty looks, etc.). Why subject yourself to that? Why not simply learn for yourself? What's "slavish" about taking the initiative?

Re-read my post. I say outright that I find the internet useful and have learned a lot of things from it. And that wasn’t the point I was making at all.

 

[jcroy]

If I can figure out that somebody's knowledge of a subject isn't much more than just "parroting" wikipedia or a simple google search, then it's probably a waste of time talking to them further about that particular subject.

 

[RobertR]

Re-read my post. I say outright that I find the internet useful and have learned a lot of things from it.

I didn't say you didn't. I questioned why you said you prefer an alternative that you say you find unpleasant.

 

[Tommy R]

I didn't say you didn't. I questioned why you said you prefer an alternative that you say you find unpleasant.

I prefer any human exchanges that don’t involve being shamed because of lack of knowledge, yes. I DO find meaningful interactions in my life and I feel these good experiences are worth not becoming an outright hermit because of the negatives.

 

[RobertR]

I prefer any human exchanges that don’t involve being shamed because of lack of knowledge, yes. I DO find meaningful interactions in my life and I feel these good experiences are worth not becoming an outright hermit because of the negatives.

Choosing to look up things on the Internet instead of subjecting yourself to things you obviously find very unpleasant hardly turns you into a "hermit".

 

[jcroy]

Choosing to look up things on the Internet instead of subjecting yourself to things you obviously find very unpleasant hardly turns you into a "hermit".

I've have the opposite problem, though with a similar outcome of hermitdom.

Whenever I do talk to a loudmouth acquaintance one-on-one, I frequently ask the equivalent of a "sniper shot" type questions. Typically revealing inconsistences and/or outright contradictions in what they said several minutes earlier.

Most of the time, their typical initial knee-jerk response is a blank stare for several seconds.

(I usually avoid asking such "sniper shots" questions aloud in front of a huge group at a gathering).

 

[jcroy]

Well for one, google has not always existed,

I remember back in the day, I had to go to the local public library to look up information which I didn't know already. Usually going through the encyclopedia or finding books on a particular topic.

The other option was to find someone in my local social circles who was relatively well read and/or had a lot of general knowledge about a lot of topics. Typically someone who was either an "expert", and/or who would do well on a tv game show like Jeopardy.

 

[Tommy R]

I remember back in the day, I had to go to the local public library to look up information which I didn't know already. Usually going through the encyclopedia or finding books on a particular topic.

The other option was to find someone in my local social circles who was relatively well read and/or had a lot of general knowledge about a lot of topics. Typically someone who was either an "expert", and/or who would do well on a tv game show like Jeopardy.

Yes, but my point in chiming in on this topic has less to do with how to actively seeking out information, I know how to seek out information and do all the time as I’ve said, but my point was about toxicity in people’s attitudes. I could go on and on and give different types of examples of the like, but I’m sure my point will just be ignored.

 

[Mike2001]

Yes, but my point in chiming in on this topic has less to do with how to actively seeking out information, I know how to seek out information and do all the time as I’ve said, but my point was about toxicity in people’s attitudes. I could go on and on and give different types of examples of the like, but I’m sure my point will just be ignored.

Are they always hitting you with "sniper questions"?

 

[Mike Frezon]

Guys:

I find this thread interesting. And I want it to stay alive.

But it won't...if we keep making comments at/about other members.

Voice your opinions on the topic...but let's not make it about each other, okay.

Thanks.

 

[jcroy]

In practice I've found that many people are willing to talk a lot, whenever I don't say anything and just "listen" to them talking. (Whether I'm actually paying attention to anything they're saying, is an entirely different matter).

Apparently many compulsive talkers (whether loudmouths or not), really like to "talk" to people who are perceived to be a "good listener". It is amazing the sort of stuff such individuals are willing to reveal about themselves, in a completely voluntary manner.

 

[Bryan^H]

I recall an incident riding with my brother, and his girlfriend at the time when I was 14.
I thought she was a really nice person, and I was happy for my brother. I won't get into what I "didn't know" in the converstaion, but she turned around, looked at me, rolled her eyes and said very sarcastically "you don't know that? you must get great grades in school" I was shocked that someone that I looked up to, and treated with nothing but respect could say such a thing over a simple bit of knowledge I was ignorant of.

I was a shy kid, and didn't answer back although I was on the honor roll in middle, and high school. But those words she spoke were like daggers.
I'm 46 and still feel the sting of that day.

So adults, if a child doesn't know something don't make them feel dumb about it. Act like an adult and inform them kindly.
Life is short, and being a child is precious.

 

[jcroy]

I rather know what somebody is really like and how they think, completely without the facade. Most people usually reveal themselves quite readily..

 

[jcroy]

I recall an incident riding with my brother, and his girlfriend at the time when I was 14.
I thought she was a really nice person, and I was happy for my brother. I won't get into what I "didn't know" in the converstaion, but she turned around, looked at me, rolled her eyes and said very sarcastically "you don't know that? you must get great grades in school" I was shocked that someone that I looked up to, and treated with nothing but respect could say such a thing over a simple bit of knowledge I was ignorant of.

I was a shy kid, and didn't answer back although I was on the honor roll in middle, and high school. But those words she spoke were like daggers.
I'm 46 and still feel the sting of that day.

So adults, if a child doesn't know something don't make them feel dumb about it. Act like an adult and inform them kindly.
Life is short, and being a child is precious.

Without going into specifics, several extended family members were like this towards me for a very long time.

To turn the tables, I essentially played them by "playing possum" and "feigning ignorance" constantly, primarily as a way of grating on their nerves and getting under their skin. It was a very easy way of absolving myself of any responsibilities and/or liabilities. They all thought I was "too stupid" to be of any use to them.

So I essentially became the "invisible guy" in the background of the family.

 

[TJPC]

How is this conversation pertaining to the fact that many have forgotten Harrison Ford?

 

[jcroy]

How is this conversation pertaining to the fact that many have forgotten Harrison Ford?

It doesn't.

It is a meandering thread which the mods haven't enforced to be on topic.

 

[jcroy]

If you insist on threads not meandering at all into otttopic directions, take it up with the mods. if they don't want to do any enforcement, maybe they'll appoint you as a new moderator to do such on-topic enforcement?

 

[StephenDH]

What you are reaaaaally failing to take into account is that the story has significantly changed. The limiting factor is no longer access. It's time to spend on any media. The competition isn't 3 channels now, it's 500 channels, unlimited streaming services, unlimited music streaming, youtube, video games, comic books, books, and well, porn.

If you want to expose people to content you enjoy, make a blog or podcast and guide them to it. They aren't going to find it on their own. Studio executives are not going to think they have struck gold re-releasing 'classics' from your childhood, there just isn't any profit in it.

There's porn on the Internet? Why was I not told?