Quick Question - Whats the biggest baddest driver one can buy?

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  1. TravisMc

    TravisMc Stunt Coordinator

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    If price is not an issue, in terms of, willing to spend up too 2-3K on a driver, what the best out there?

    I know its an odd question, but Im at a loss, is car audio the only hope? Morover, for those of you who build DIY subs, why don't you use car audio subs for everything?
     
  2. Brian Bunge

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    Travis,

    I'd say that the Adire Audio Tumult is one of the baddest drivers out there at the moment. It's nearly $500 and will smoke just about any car audio driver on the market. There is a ton of marketing in the car audio world, therefore the drivers are extremely overpriced. Most of the ones that might possibly compete with the Tumult are at least $1K or more.

    If you're looking for a driver to use in a home subwoofer you're better off looking for one that was designed for such an application.
     
  3. TravisMc

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    Travis, you want a basshorn or a massive infinite baffle. Just about nothing else will meet your expectations I suspect.

    But for baddest drivers around, I'd agree with Brian and say the Tumult. And the BluePrint 1803, the Styrke UE15 and the Aurasound MR18 are up there too.

    As was mentioned in your other thread. Vehicle cabins are very different from much larger rooms in a house. Car subs have parameters setup to take advantage of this small amount of space. Which conflicts with the parameters desired for use in a large space.

    I can't seem to word what I want to say next without sounding condescending to the car audio market. I guess I'll just preface with there are a few exceptions. Car audio has pretty colors, fancy logos and all sorts of other tricks to make the drivers look cool. Performance is a distant second. They give there market what they want, and that market seems to have money to burn so the prices reflect it.
     
  5. Joe Tilley

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    YA I don't know how the Tumult could compete with that bad boy seeing how it has a ( PHAT 2"foam surround ) & all that pretty chrome just has to make it pound you heart from your chest[​IMG] sorry for the sarcasm but why do people start these threads?
     
  6. Dustin B

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    Um, a Tumult would destroy it. The Adire Shiva could compete with that thing and a Tempest would trounce it.

    Fs way too high. No idea how they get the Le that low, that's amazing. 20mm Xmax with a 2" surround (with that much Xmax why do you need that big of a surround?). Assuming the surround has any sort of control over the cone that would reduce it's Sd well below what a normal 12" driver would have, resulting in a Vd about the same as a $120 Shiva (output wise they would be similar that is, sound quality wise I'm very confident a Shiva would easily win).

    Also it's Vas is way to small to allow porting (sealed it would have next to nothing for extension in a room) and it's efficiency isn't that great. Definately fits in the all show category.
     
  7. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Travis,

    You have a lot to learn young padiwan....

    That AudioBahn sub wouldn't keep up with my AV-12 and it
    wouldn't even THINK about keeping up with a Tumult....
    Period..

    As Brian said, if you want to find a car audio driver that
    can remotely begin to compare with a home audio driver you
    are looking into the thousand(s) range, and even then most
    car audio drivers are optimised with specific T/S Parameters
    that make them ideal for a car with it's massive cabin gain
    and they just won't work in the home.

    We tried to explain to you that clean bass is the goal here
    but you aparently just want boom boom... We honestly can
    not help you in that case...

    If what you was is boom then just build a sub that has it's
    maximum output in the 60-80Hz range... And you will gett all
    the boom you want.

    Here is a picture of my AV-12... 23mm of one way linear
    X-Max and it doesn't even need a P.H.A.T y0 diggity Surround..

    Who Da Thunk It..

    [​IMG]
     
  8. Brian Bunge

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    Dustin,

    Jack didn't post in this thread! [​IMG]

    Travis, that driver doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of competing with the Tumult. I haven't seen the specs, but I can only imagine.
     
  9. TravisMc

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    Guys, Im really trying to understand here,but explain me this:

    That Audiobahn sub has 2, 250OZ Magnets

    Its a dual voicecoil

    My god, it rated for 2000 Watts Rms...How in the world can these other woofers compete?

    I mean, jesus, take a look at this:

    http://www.audiobahninc.com/products...5&seriesID=28#

    AW1508Q - it has DUAL 360OZ magnets, That alone weighs 45Lbs

    Its rated for 2000 Watts RMS

    Guys, Im not trying to defend to aurgue that this is better, im trying to understand how it is possible for that Tumult

    I just dont get it
     
  10. Brian Bunge

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    Travis,

    We need specs like Fs, Vas, Xmax, Qts, etc. It's power rating and magnet weight mean nothing in and of themselves.
     
  11. TravisMc

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    Well, I have no clue what those terms mean...

    Guys, I just want the loudest, clearest subwoofer for the money, its as simple as that

    I thought SVS could do it, maybe it still will....

    But, I want sheer, undeniable bass.........

    Part of the issue I suppose, is I took everyone here's overall opinion on how great the SVS was, and overall, have found it to be sorta disappointing, although they seem to be a great company with great customer service, I still feel as if more can be achieved, and, frankly, I just don't understand how that tumult could hang with the audiobahn stuff...

    As stated before, its not that I am arguing, its that I don't understand....
     
  12. Pete Mazz

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    [​IMG]

    Well, it's got the silliest looking basket on the planet!


    Travis, hang around long enough to learn what really makes a good driver and save yourself a load of money, as well as having a sub that is actually designed to sound good.

    Pete
     
  13. Brian Bunge

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    In order to help you understand, you have to explain what it is about the Audiobahn sub that you feel is so special. Other than it's looks, of course.

    The Tumult handles 1600W RMS. The difference between 1600W and 2000W is only a dB or so.

    You'd be much better off using something like the LAB basshorn.
     
  14. Bryan Michael

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    i can contest about the car subs sucking in the home. i had some ok 12 in my car and got some better ones so i put the subs in my ht and tryed it out it was bad what sounded good in my car was real bad in my ht. it had some upper bass but no lower bass. my mains had more bass than the sub did in the 30 hz range. cant wait for my new av15's (2) to come
     
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    I'll try one more time. For your goal you want some basshorns.

    http://www.prosoundweb.com/lsp

    [​IMG]

    Build 2 to 4 of these, array them in a corner of your room and you may even break 140dB from 30hz up.

    Or if you can find the money to buy commercial:

    http://www.servodrive.com/bt7.html

    PS- Don't you hate it when people don't pay attention and then edit their posts Jack [​IMG]
     
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    To make it easier for those who want to take the time to explain:

    Tumult
    Fs: 19 Hz
    Qms: 4.3
    Qes: 0.39
    Qts: .36
    Vas: 160 liters
    Xmax: 34mm one way
    Sd: 749 cm^2
    Vd: 5.1 liters of LINEAR displacement!
    SPL: 87.1 dB @ 1W, 1m
    Re: 3.2 Ohms (1.6 per VC)
    Le: 4.2 mH (2.1 per VC)
    Mms: 345 grams
    BL: 18.5 N/A
    EBP: 48.7
    Pmax: 1600W per IEC 268-5


    AWT15X
    Fs: 27.5hz
    Qts: 0.4
    Qes: 0.43
    Qms: 6.2
    Vas: 42L
    Re: 2.15ohms
    Le: 1.3mH
    Mms: ommited for this model line
    Zmax (whatever that is): 21mm
    RMS: 3000W
    Sd: ommited for this model line (assume somewhere around 700cm^2)
    Efficiency: 87.3dB
     
  18. Brett DiMichele

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    Travis,

    I thought that comming from the car audio world you knew
    what it took to build a quality sub woofer but you say you
    don't know what the Thiele-Small Parameters mean and this is
    a big no/no.

    You can not possibly make a quality system or even make an
    educated driver choice without knowing the Large and Small
    System Parameters, what they mean and what they do.

    The best car audio driver in the world won't do squat for
    Home Theater if it has a horrendously high Resonant Frequency
    and not enough Volume Of Displacement or enough Suspension
    and Magnetic Travel.

    You need to study T/S Params first, learn them and understand
    them and then everything everyone is telling you will make
    complete sense.

    Trust me when I say the specs *if* accurate, do not lie..

    I tried using a "decent" car audio sub in a home theater
    setup and the math said it wouldn't work (and so did everyone
    else) but I tried it anyway just for giggles... Guess what?
    It didn't work!

    (Of course I sold the speaker and made money on it and that
    was part of the reason I bought it anyway) but that's neither
    here nor there..

    If you want the best home use drivers the list has allready
    been given to you and they are...

    The Adire Audio Shiva MKIII
    The PE Titanic MKII
    The PE Dayton DVC
    The Adire Tempest
    The Adire Tumult
    The Stryke AV-12
    The Stryke AV-15
    And the HE series from Stryke

    That is honestly the what's what list of subs for home use.
     
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    Ok guys come on stop teasing Travis........

    As everyone knows there's only one sub that manly enough for what he wants

    [​IMG]
     

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