I was wondering what people think of the build quality and sound of the Pioneer Elites in recent years. I have only had the benefit of listening a while back to a friend's older elite VSX-27TX which I think is a 1998 model and I thought it sounded pretty good. I was thinking of the 53TX or 55TXi but since the new models are due out soon, I think I will just wait and see what the 52TX and 54TX have to offer. I am in NYC and I don't know of any reasonably priced pioneer elite dealers around me as the one dealer that use to carry PE is no longer carrying them. I know Harvey's has them but they are a little pricey. This particular dealer I went to carries Denon, Yamaha, HK and others but I think they no longer carry the Pioneer line (not even the non-elites) as I believe they have a dispute with Pioneer about their pricing. The salesman there told me that the elites are no longer what they use to be compared to how they were a few years back. I have also heard this from another dealer and I am now a little confused and worried about going for PE. I was able to listen to the Denon 3805 and Yamaha 2400 hooked up to some Klipsch reference bookshelf speakers and they both sounded pretty good. I also heard the Denon 2805 through some Paradigm Atoms and NHT SB-1s at another dealer and it also sounded good. I am shopping for a receiver and will most likely use it for 60% HT/40% music. I will probably be going with Paradigm Atoms for fronts, CC-170 for center, ADP-170 for surrounds and PDR-10 for sub when I finally get my speakers and I am now seriously considering the Denon 3805, but I still have in the back of my mind how I liked the sound of the older Pioneer elite that I listened to. The dealer has a good in-store price on the 3805 for about 1k and it sounded like it was slightly negotiable. I just wanted to hear what people's thoughts about the PEs are and how they compare to the 3805.