Question for owners of 963sa; how to set up sub for SACD

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  1. vasia

    vasia Stunt Coordinator

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    Hi,
    I've decided to give Philips 963sa a try given its great price at B&H Photo (239-). I've just got it in and I basically cannot seem to be able to set up the sub properly for SACD playback. Every time I set my main speakers to large, it automatically switches sub off in Advanced Bass Managment menu. The only way to keep mains large and sub on is if ALL speakers are set to large, which makes not sense at all to me. Also, if I have mains at large and center at large it would allow to keep sub on, but as soon as I switch center to SMALL, this thing turns off the sub, which again defies logic. Anyways, I have Monitor Audio S8 for the main speakers and I would like to set them to large and all other speakers to small and sub to on. Is it possible with 963sa or is something wrong with my unit or its the feature of this Advances Bass Managment setup (which in that case in totally ridiculous).
     
  2. vasia

    vasia Stunt Coordinator

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    Ok, let me ask it another way. Does 963sa SACD bass managment allow to set front speakers to large with the rest to small and sub to on? So the bass from the center and surrounds will be re-directed to the sub along with LFE. Couple of Sony models, I have previously audittioned, had this specific setting, however, Philips does not seem to allow it. Right now I can only get the sub to be ON if it just receives LFE (all speakers are set to large)or if all speakers are set to small, including main speakers. There are some other options, but the bottom line is that as soon as I set main speakers to large, the sub is turned off in the menu.
     
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    I have the Philips dvd 962sa which is the predecesor to the 963sa. Philips uses a bass filter, not really bass mgt as this will entail digital processing which for audio purist reasons you do not really want.

    Make sure that the analog output is set to Multi-Channel. Next adjust the speaker setting (on the 962sa the bass filter is set at 120hz; set to large if the speaker is able to reproduce below 120hz otherwise set to small. I keep set at small anyways as this will leave the sub triggered on. The LFE portion goes to the sub regardless which setting is chosen. When you set to small and have large full range speakers you may get double bass. Remember this is a filter and not a crossover.). Note that speaker setting will not be used during playback in sacd stereo mode. In sacd stereo mode, philips will send full range signals to the lt/rt speakers. also, volume level settings in the speaker set up is not applicable for sacd playback. for multichannel sacd playback, philips assumes you are equal distant between speakers. also, to preserve highest quality playback of multchannel sacd, bass filter for speakers will only be activated when all speaker are set to small. sacd is a hi rez audio recording and philips did not want to deviate the sonics from the recording; that is why you are paying more for a good sacd player. if you are an audio purist, philips assumes you would set up the listening enviroment accordings. the philips sacd player is designed for audio primary, video secondary.

    Speaker settings (different selection of large and small between speakers are in effect for dvd-a and dvd video).
     
  4. vasia

    vasia Stunt Coordinator

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    Hi Ross,
    Thank you for the reply. I read somewhere that 963sa specifically have improved bass management over 962 (maybe that's wrong impression). I kind of figured how to turn redirection off completely or set everything to small and get sub output, but 963sa is supposed to be able to do much finer re-direction in SACD mode, at least according to the manual. Since I do not have full size speakers for center/surrounds, I figured I would at least give it a try, even if I end up not using it.
    This is my first SACD player and I find the manual's part on bass management completely confusing, I just absolutely cannot figure out how to set it up! I would very much appreciate if any other owner of Philips 963sa could please let me know how to interpret any of these setting:

    1) There is a music and movie mode in bass management set up. According to the manual, in music mode speaker settings are only applied to 2CH SACD playback and, in movie mode, to all other formats except 2CH SACD, which, I assume, also means multichannel SACD requires player to be set to movie mode for bass management to work. Is this correct? That's a pretty important issue since apparently only the music mode allows to use sub crossover frequency below 120 Hz. Or the manual is incorrect and in music mode speaker settings apply to both 2CH and multichannel SACD and movie mode is for DD/DTS decoding?

    2) If music mode is only for 2CH SACD, why are there setting for center and surround channels under music mode submenu?

    3) Repeating my original post, does bass redirection to the sub only works is ALL speakers are set to small or can I somehow re-direct bass only from center and surrounds, but keep main speakers as large?

    4) I notice that when I set all speakers (including center and surrounds) to large, the sub output is automatically turned on. Is it only for LFE channel? Also, when I change center to small, under these circumstances, it turns sub OFF. That makes no sense to me whatsoever. Does anyone know why it does this?

    If these questions make no sense for whatever reason, can somebody, please, tell me what bass management settings they use for their 2Ch and multichannel SACD set up (music or movies mode, small/large speakers) or what would you recommend me to use? I have Philips connected through analog 6.1 outputs to 7.1 inputs of Marantz receiver. I have Monitor Audio S8 speakers for the mains with SLCR center and (not yet, but coming soon) Sfx surrounds. In addition, I have Hsu STF2 sub.

    Again, this is my first SACD player, so I really do not have any experience with bass management and manual for 963sa is pretty much completely useless.
    Thank you!
     

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