Jeff Gatie
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I have a question for die hard hockey fans, preferably those that know the role of fighting in this traditionally self-policed sport.
The scenario - I have a 17 year old nephew that plays for a local Junior B and Junior Minor (aka Midgets) team. He's a good stay at home defenseman who overcomes his weaknesses with a huge heart and a willingness to drop the gloves. Fighting is allowed in his Junior B games (5 min major only). He will take on all comers to protect his teammates and himself, knows his role and is very good at it - at least enough to have gotten a reputation (leads the league in PIMS and no one calls him out anymore). His Junior B games actually outdraw the Junior A games due to a huge following for him and his fellow tough guy and the antics they get into. Over the weekend, he was playing a Junior Minor team in Long Island (his fellow tough guy was at another tournament). Being there is no fighting in Junior Minor, everyone on the ice, tough guy or not, was 10 ft. tall and bulletproof and hacking, slashing and crosschecking to their heart's delight. The ref let everything go. My nephew, no stranger to dropping the gloves (and taking a 1 game suspension) in a Minor game, blasted his teammates between periods because they were all taking liberties, yet when the feces hit the fan, he'd be the one to be taking punches to the head and a game suspension for someone else's inability to stand up for themselves. He vowed to only protect himself and his goalie from now on. Cut to 1 minute left. An opposing forward runs his goalie and the goaltender sticks him. The forward then gets his clock cleaned by the defenseman. The play moves down the other end and there is a whistle and line change in progress. After getting up, the opposing player challenges the goalie, drops his gloves and jumps him. The goalie gets in a couple shots and bloodies the kid, but by then (you guessed it) my nephew was off the bench and over the boards with 2 guys following. He proceeded to fight 3 guys after knocking out the original antagonist, his only help being the two guys who followed trying to find a dance partner. The other 10 guys (line change, remember) from his team leaned on their sticks with their gloves on.
So, my question for you die hards:
Did my nephew do the right thing (leaving the bench is a no no and can get you suspended for a year, but the ref didn't write it up as that due to the line change and being sympathetic)?
Are the other guys on his team lacking in dedication or guts for having their gloves and sticks on/in their hands instead of taking 2 of the 3 guys my nephew had to fight out of the play (the last one happened when he was tired, tied up and tackled by the linesman and the opposing player proceeded to bounce his head off the ice a few times)? In other words, could they have at least grabbed someone and hung on, or are they right in staying out of the fray, even if your goalie is at risk and the tough guy is out numbered?
Please, no "fighting is unnecessary" posts, I don't want that discussion. Just let me know what you think (as hockey fans) about my questions.
The scenario - I have a 17 year old nephew that plays for a local Junior B and Junior Minor (aka Midgets) team. He's a good stay at home defenseman who overcomes his weaknesses with a huge heart and a willingness to drop the gloves. Fighting is allowed in his Junior B games (5 min major only). He will take on all comers to protect his teammates and himself, knows his role and is very good at it - at least enough to have gotten a reputation (leads the league in PIMS and no one calls him out anymore). His Junior B games actually outdraw the Junior A games due to a huge following for him and his fellow tough guy and the antics they get into. Over the weekend, he was playing a Junior Minor team in Long Island (his fellow tough guy was at another tournament). Being there is no fighting in Junior Minor, everyone on the ice, tough guy or not, was 10 ft. tall and bulletproof and hacking, slashing and crosschecking to their heart's delight. The ref let everything go. My nephew, no stranger to dropping the gloves (and taking a 1 game suspension) in a Minor game, blasted his teammates between periods because they were all taking liberties, yet when the feces hit the fan, he'd be the one to be taking punches to the head and a game suspension for someone else's inability to stand up for themselves. He vowed to only protect himself and his goalie from now on. Cut to 1 minute left. An opposing forward runs his goalie and the goaltender sticks him. The forward then gets his clock cleaned by the defenseman. The play moves down the other end and there is a whistle and line change in progress. After getting up, the opposing player challenges the goalie, drops his gloves and jumps him. The goalie gets in a couple shots and bloodies the kid, but by then (you guessed it) my nephew was off the bench and over the boards with 2 guys following. He proceeded to fight 3 guys after knocking out the original antagonist, his only help being the two guys who followed trying to find a dance partner. The other 10 guys (line change, remember) from his team leaned on their sticks with their gloves on.
So, my question for you die hards:
Did my nephew do the right thing (leaving the bench is a no no and can get you suspended for a year, but the ref didn't write it up as that due to the line change and being sympathetic)?
Are the other guys on his team lacking in dedication or guts for having their gloves and sticks on/in their hands instead of taking 2 of the 3 guys my nephew had to fight out of the play (the last one happened when he was tired, tied up and tackled by the linesman and the opposing player proceeded to bounce his head off the ice a few times)? In other words, could they have at least grabbed someone and hung on, or are they right in staying out of the fray, even if your goalie is at risk and the tough guy is out numbered?
Please, no "fighting is unnecessary" posts, I don't want that discussion. Just let me know what you think (as hockey fans) about my questions.