Question about SVS! (1 Viewer)

[Terrell]

I have an new M&K S-5000 THX system consisting of (3) S-5000s, (3) SS-500s, and two M&K MX-5000II powered subs. I love the MX-5000s and have had them about 9 months. My question is will SVS be making any THX certified subs, and if so, woukd they give an appreciable difference over the MX-5000? They really pound the chest and I'm really happy with them, but I'm a constant tinkerer. I could sell them easily, but not sure I want to unless the SVS subs are just a whole notch better. Would it be worth the trouble?

 

[SteveBjr]

I dont' know about THX certified but you can always try them out for 45 days and return them if you're not satisfied which i highly doubt

 

[Brian Bowles]

I just got my SVS and I am amazed. Why dont you look up the specs on your subs and compare them to the specs on the SVS. That is a good starting point but only one part of the equation. I love how my SVS has compact defined bass on songs and then thunderous bass on movie tracks without changing any settings. Before my velodyne was real boomy in songs. As for THX it is only a certification. Many manufacturers do not want to get their products certified because of the cost. It raised the final cost to the consumer.

 

[Tom Vodhanel]

Hi Terrell,

How large is your room?

Dual 5000s would make a outstanding sub system...so it's hard to predict if you should even consider a SVS. Do you have the 5000s side by side? How large is your room? Do you listen at/near reference levels occasionally?

TV

 

[Patrick Bennett]

Dual 5000's? Good grief!

 

[rodneyH]

THX is a marketing scheme, and an absolute joke. Look at all of the super hi-fi equiptment, non of it is THX certified, yet you can get a THX cert receiver for under 1 grand, umm?? a $10,000 amp or a $1000 receiver, I bet teh amp is better, even without the stupid THX symbol on it.

 

[Terrell]

I wouldn't go that far rodney. Tom, I've never measured my room in terms of cubic feet of volume. But here's the size. I have a room with 9' ceilings which is 22' long by 16 wide. I actually have my MX-5000s in each corner opposite from one another up front, both corner loaded. Would it be better to have them corner loaded in the same corner one next to the other?

As for the SVS, I'm just curious. I wasn't really looking for new subs, because I really do get tremendous bass from the dual 5000s. But I'm afflicted with the home theater tinkerer's syndrome. I constantly upgrade. I can get my money back out of the 5000s. I paid $2300 for each one. I wouldn't even consider it if I couldn't get my money back out of them.

Ok, lay it one me. Am I stupid and just looking for a reason to keep tinkering, or does this make sense? As for the specs, the specs are 18-125Hz, with dual 12" drivers in a push-pull configuration. Amp is 400 watts RMS. As for measured specs, have no idea cause I've never done it.

 

[rodneyH]

terrell, I was just giving an example (I just got through reading my stereophile and noticed that I read reviews on 3 amp, all in the 6-$10,000 range, guess what NONe of them are THX cert). I just get sick of all the "I have to have ____ cert to have a good stereo, etc... it is complete BS!!!!). go to audio asylum to learn more about the BS of THX marketing, but be prepared to here from people much more against it than I am.

as for you M&Ks, they are great subs, very musical. I had a similar model (but only 1 of them), and was pleased, but the SVS seems smoother and to extend deeeper. It doesn't seem to thump your chest as much, but I think that is because it is soooo flat to below 20 Hz, it is smoother. I think that my m&k had a peak around 40-60 hz to make it feel like it was powerful bass. You obviosly have the best m&k offers,, with much more power than mine. You might try to get a demo disc and a SPL meter to see what the responce is. Good luck

 

[Terrell]

Well, I didn't get the M&Ks simply because they were THX vertified. I got them because I liked them best on movies. They just happened to be THX. However, THX doesn't instantly make a product bad. Are there some bad products that are THX certified. Of course. But on the other hand, some of the finest equipment available has THX on it. Companies like Proceed, Krell, Harman Kardon, etc. That review was just one review. Doesn't mean there aren't other THX certified amps out there that are just as good.

I have THX certified Proceed AVP surround sound pre/pre as well as a Proceed AMP5. That's some of the very best home theater equipment I've seen. The product quality rests with the manufacturer. Not THX. But I understand your point and agree with some of it.

 

[rodneyH]

I think you are understanding were I am coming from.

Is there bad NON-THX cert equipt-OF course

Is there bad THX equipt-Of course (actually it if one is not into doing all the research it is probably a safe thing for someone to purchase, since they at least have some minimum requirements). My thing is that why pay teh extra $$ if it really is meaningless when you get up in hte higher end of the "hi-fi" spectrum (which you are since you own very nice proceed equiptment), ironically Mark Levinson amps aren't THX cert (or at least they didn't use to be,if I remember correctly), and they are the higher end part of the company that produces proceed (if that makes sense) and from what I understand, Mark designed or helped design the proceed stuff.

As for your real issue with SVS, you might want to just try them, and if you don't like them send tehm back (after all you already have a standard in which you can compare, I know it might be a pain, but it can also be fun too), I did this very thing, and I can tell you that the M&K was sold, and I didn't make a local visit to the UPS man to send back the SVS. Good luck

 

[Tom Vodhanel]

>>>Tom, I've never measured my room in terms of cubic feet of volume. But here's the size. I have a room with 9' ceilings which is 22' long by 16 wide. I actually have my MX-5000s in each corner opposite from one another up front, both corner loaded. Would it be better to have them corner loaded in the same corner one next to the other? >As for the SVS, I'm just curious. I wasn't really looking for new subs, because I really do get tremendous bass from the dual 5000s. But I'm afflicted with the home theater tinkerer's syndrome. I constantly upgrade. I can get my money back out of the 5000s. I paid $2300 for each one. I wouldn't even consider it if I couldn't get my money back out of them.Ok, lay it one me. Am I stupid and just looking for a reason to keep tinkering, or does this make sense? As for the specs, the specs are 18-125Hz, with dual 12" drivers in a push-pull configuration. Amp is 400 watts RMS. As for measured specs, have no idea cause I've never done it.

 

[Shawn Sefranek]

120dBs during a 18hz Pod race flybye

My ears hurt just READING those two lines.

Shawn S

 

[Terrell]

Thanks for the advice Tom. I really love the 5000s. As for volume, I watch DVDs at about average volume. The only time I turn it up is when I get the itch to watch a favorite DVD scene with the thing at absolutely earbleed level. But I only do that for about 3 minutes at a time. I never do that for extended periods. You know, you just sometimes get that urge to crank it for a few minutes on those awesome scenes, aka the podrace. Thanks again.

I'm gonna try locating the subs in the same corner just to see what happens.

 

[SteveBjr]

I'd try out the SVS's just to see what you think, even if you don't like them you're only out shipping & handling but if you do end up liking them over the M&K's you'd be saving a nice chunk of change. You could go all out and get the Ultra/S1000/Art 351 package for half of what you paid for the M&K's or you could go with dual 16-46's.

 

[Tom Vodhanel]

>>Thanks for the advice Tom. I really love the 5000s. As for volume, I watch DVDs at about average volume. The only time I turn it up is when I get the itch to watch a favorite DVD scene with the thing at absolutely earbleed level. But I only do that for about 3 minutes at a time. I never do that for extended periods. You know, you just sometimes get that urge to crank it for a few minutes on those awesome scenes, aka the podrace. Thanks again.>I'm gonna try locating the subs in the same corner just to see what happens.

 

[BryanZ]

I would estimate the 4 46s would have about 3-4x the amount of low clean bass capability as your current (dual)5000s.

TV, your a cruel man. Guess we'll have to install SVS barf bags for the amount of bass we'll get.

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

terrell, I was just giving an example (I just got through reading my stereophile and noticed that I read reviews on 3 amp, all in the 6-$10,000 range, guess what NONe of them are THX cert). I just get sick of all the "I have to have ____ cert to have a good stereo, etc... it is complete BS!!!!). go to audio asylum to learn more about the BS of THX marketing, but be prepared to here from people much more against it than I am.

I wouldn't be surprised if those amps would not be able to pass THX certification. I saw Stereophile give a Class A rating to a 5 w/ch tube amplifier that did not put out more than 2 w/ch and on top of that, a hum specialist had to rewire it so it wouldn't hum.

 

[Terrell]

Well, the earbleed comes from the S-5000s mainly. The 5000 subs are more felt than heard. It's the treble and midrange that make the ears go "HOLY SH**! I would say in excess of 120 decibels.

 

[PhilS]

THX is a marketing scheme, and an absolute joke.

Oh, please. Shouldn't there be a requirement before you're allowed to post that you at least have some idea what you're talking about?

 

[Charles J P]

I agree, you probably should tone it down a little Rodney. Like THX or not, your tone is a little offensive. For the record, though, I think THX cert holds more water for subs and speakers than it does for amps and processors IMHO and IM experiance.