Question about older CRT projectors.

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  1. Steve Stogel

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    I was looking at some older CRT projectors on eBay. Are these things even worth considering? I'm talking about for < $500. Seems there were plenty of Sony models, and I was wondering if anyone was familiar with any of them. Here were some of the Sony models (all VPH-XXXX): 1020Q1, 1020Q, 1040Q, 1251Q, 1272Q, 1000Q (as far as lumens, I've seen 600 (1040Q) and 650 (1251Q), and other than that, I didn't see any numbers...that was peak white, BTW, whatever that means).
    So what kind of picture would these give? I'm thinking of a totally black room (in other words, watching only at night [​IMG]). There were also a couple of Barco Data projectors (model 1000 and model P/C). So are these CRT projectors worth spending $500 or so just to get that movie theater feel for very, very cheap? Any opinions or knowledge of any of the models would be appreciated.
    Steve
     
  2. Jack Briggs

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    The problem is you have no idea how these sets were used. Were they overdriven? That is, did the owners always have the white levels cranked to the maximum? What other things may have happened during these sets' careers?

    Unless you know the owner and how he or she treated the set, buying a used RPTV--especially through eBay--is too risky a proposition, even at sub-$500 prices. I'd avoid this route.
     
  3. Steve Stogel

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    Thanks, Jack.

    There is currently one on eBay that is being sold that was used in a church. I'd imagine they had to crank the whites up pretty high with a low-lumen projecter in a somewhat lit environment. Is that about right?

    Steve
     
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    You got it, Steve. Those people, nice though they may be, most likely did not know how best to care for and feed an RPTV.
     
  5. Steve Stogel

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    (sigh) Well, thanks, Jack, for telling me exactly what I was affraid to hear. Just wanted to have a big pic to go with big sound. Oh, well, guess I just need to save up for a Mitsu widescreen. Thanks again.
    Steve
    P.S. What if I can get it for $300 with a ceiling mount...well, never mind. [​IMG]
     
  6. Steve Kramzer

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    You might want to check out http://www.invsol-inc.com/
    as they have a number of used sony 1251Q and 1270Q 's . A few people from avsforum have bought from this place and say the projector conditions are accurate. Most projectors have been in pretty good condition. Also, you may want to get on Curt Palme's mailing list of used projectors over at www.avsforum.com as he is a real nice guy with a great selection.
     
  7. Steve Stogel

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    They do have pretty good prices. Thanks, Steve. I imagine you can add probably $200 for shipping on that, huh? Still under a grand for a lot of their PJs. Not bad. I guess a grand with them would be safer than 500 or so with an individual on eBay. Thanks for the link.

    Steve
     
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    i'll second Steve K.'s recommend of Curt Palme. i spent some time at his house looking at projectors, real nice fellow and really knows his stuff. get on his mailing list, even if you are not gonna buy, you'll see what fair prices are.
     
  9. Steve Stogel

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    Thanks for the suggestions. I've been doing searches at AVS, and they have been very helpful.

    Steve
     
  10. Vince Maskeeper

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    I would also recommend Curt. I had a 1252q for a while- and it was a really good projector, especially on a "smaller" screen like mine (70 inch wide 16:9).

    I think the 1252 and 1272 are great projectors. I sold mine to someone here in Ohio- and it's still kicking ass for him!

    -Vince
     
  11. Steve Stogel

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    Thanks, everyone.
    Vince (or anyone else), have you seen a 10 series (say the 1031q) compared to a 12 series (say a 1251q or 1270q)? I like the idea of the small (if 65lbs can be called small) PJ. I'm thiking I'd like about an 80" 4x3 screen and about a 73" screen for 16x9 (at least I think that's how it would break down).
    So, for a screen size like that, would the 10 series be able to keep up with the 12 series? I think the 10 will be much harder to get dialed in after ceiling mounting, but I'm willing to put in the time to save some cash and have a smaller unit if it performs similarly.
    My bro-in-law brought over an NEC MT1050 LCD PJ, and that thing looked pretty awesome just thrown up on my wall (about an 80" size). We watched UT lose (still think that was charging [​IMG]), and then watched some DVDs. Picture was awesome. Straight S-vid for both, and plenty of light in the room before the game (I have no idea how bright this thing is, but goodness).
    I posted over at AVS as it seems they're a bit more fanatical about PJs over there (of course this is where I hang out, because I'm fanatical about subs and speaks [​IMG]). If anyone else can chime in and help, though, I'd also appreciate it.
    As a refresher, Vince, what did you go to when you got rid of the 1252? I know a smaller unit, but still CRT? Oh, yeah. How far back was your 1252 to get you that 70" screen (pretty close to what I was thinking), and do you know if that would probably corrolate to the 10 series? You can't make the picture bigger and smaller, right? You get a certain size for a certain distance, no play? Thanks again, all.
    Steve
     
  12. Bill Lucas

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    The Sony 1031Q is old, it's analog (no memories) and it only scans high enough for line doubling. A 1040Q or 1041Q won't even support line doubling. I would not consider these as a viable option.

    The 125X and 127X series projectors are a aignificant step forward. However, compared to a good NEC or Barco the Sony projectors have a very soft image. Resolution maxes out at about 600p while an NEC with the same size CRTs retains a sharp image up to somewhere between 680p and 720p depending on the model. The NEC projector also have better color saturation and rendition. Regards.
     
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    Steve,
    for Sony pj mounting data, go to this page at projectorspecs.com and download sony's PJCALC program (the link is at the bottom of the page.)
    with PJCALC, you select the pj model and screen ratio/size and it tells you all the mounting info you'll need.
     

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