Question about baseball attendance.

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  1. KeithH

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    How bad is baseball attendance these days? I see a lot of empty seats on TV, and today, I received an e-mail message from New York Yankees customer service saying that tickets are still available for this week's games against the Arizona Diamondbacks:

     
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    ::resists taunting vis-a-vis Yankees fans not being able to handle second place::

    I dunno. It looks like Bud Selig's anti-marketing is working: Tell people enough that the game is in trouble, and eventually they'll stop supporting it.
     
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    Overall, it's still near it's all time record for attendance. Sure, the Twins and Jays aren't going to draw three million like they did ten years ago, but the Yankees will, and they drew terribly ten years ago.

    For awhile they set a new record every year. Receeding attendance isn't a good thing, but ticket prices keep going up and attendance is still huge.

    In Boston basically everything sells out. But you can still go to the box office and get standing room ($18!) and obstructed view ($25) tickets the day of any game without a problem.
     
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    Jason, I agree. Bud Selig is bad for baseball, plain and simple. He continues to spread the B.S. that owners are broke and he talks about contraction. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    There will probably be a lot of walk up ticket sales for those games. Also, the Yankees lead the major leagues in attendance.




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    Robert, I could see these Yankee games selling out, but I was just surprised that they aren't sold out already and that the Yankees sent out an e-mail message to that effect. I have not checked attendance around the league, but I am not surprised that the Yankees lead in that category. Thanks.
     
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    Well, here in Detroit there are plenty of good seats available for any game. Come on over if you want to pay major league prices to watch a minor league organization. The novelty of the new stadium wore off in a hurry here.
     
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    Scott, and for first dose of interleague play this year, the Tigers fans (those who actually care) got to see the Phillies. [​IMG]
    My girlfriend is from Pittsburgh, and she and I went there over the Memorial Day weekend to visit her parents and friends. From what I heard out there, the situation with the Pirates is similar to what you described with the Tigers. The Pirates have a beautiful stadium in a nice part of the city, but they are not putting a good product on the field. That's the bottom line. So, there are a lot of empty seats.
     
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    Saw a little chart in the NY Daily News on Tuesday(6/4). The chart basically stated that attendance isDOWN 5.7% FROM LAST YEAR. Keep up the good work Bud.
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    More often than not in baseball these days, the on-the-field stories that dominate baseball these days involve individual achievements, not teams. Bonds this, Bonds that. Before Bonds, it was McGwire. Sosa garners a lot of headlines too. Don't get me wrong. These accomplishments are worthy of headlines, but we don't hear enough about the good teams or the good games. It seems that if the media isn't talking about Bonds moving up the all-time home run chart, they are talking about a possible strike, contraction, steroid use, and other off-the-field problems. Yep, baseball is American, like apple pie and Chevrolet. [​IMG]
     
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    All last year, and into this year, almost every Mariners game has been sold out. It's very hard to get tickets with short notice. Last year I believe they set the ML record for attendance. It's disturbing to see what little support other teams get.
     
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    What are the chances that contraction will actually take place?

    Also, these single-season homerun records being established, it seems, almost every other year have cheapened the currency of this benchmark statistic. Yawn, Player X threatens to hit 75 homers.

    Funny how none of these steroid- and genetically enhanced giants on the field these days has approached Hack Wilson's record 190 RBI.

    And, damn it, the ball has been juiced ever since 1994. These records don't mean anything.

    If we're keeping the rabbit ball, then let's raise the pitching mound back to its pre-1969 height of fifteen inches. And let's get rid of the damn DH in the AL.

    I'm sick of something I used to love. (Still haven't recovered completely from the 1981 player's strike, much less the debacle that was 1994.)
     
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    Jack, what happened in 94? Changed manufacturer of baseballs?
     
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    Strategy, Jason, strategy! Do you play your pitcher in a tight situation, or remove him for a pinch hitter? That sort of thing. I miss it.

    But I agree about abolishing interleague regular-season play. It's not right. And it cheapens the World Series.

    Everything's cheaper about baseball these days except for ticket prices and players' salaries.
     
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    RBIs are largely a function of luck.

    There has always been a large dichotomy in baseball with a few teams dominating at a time.

    The problem is there are teams in Tampa Bay, with a horrible stadium and team. In Montreal where people just don't CARE about baseball anymore. In Oakland where they barely care, and there's a beatiful new park across the bay. The Brewers? I wouldn't go either, just to make Bud Selig look bad.

    The Twins? They were setting attendance records a few years ago. So were the Blue Jays. But they haven't been good teams in a long time. You can be respectable without spending 120 million. There needs to be some amount of change so any team can afford to spend the ~60-70 million it requires to be consistenly competitive though.

    The big change that is needed is Bud Selig. He is the worst thing to happen to baseball in decades.

    And how big of a problem are 'roids, really?

    Here are your top 20 OPS leaders of all time:

    1. Babe Ruth+ 1.3791 1920
    2. Barry Bonds 1.3785 2001
    3. Babe Ruth+ 1.3586 1921
    4. Babe Ruth+ 1.3089 1923
    5. Ted Williams+ 1.2874 1941
    6. Babe Ruth+ 1.2582 1927
    7. Ted Williams+ 1.2566 1957
    8. Babe Ruth+ 1.2530 1926
    9. Babe Ruth+ 1.2517 1924
    10. Rogers Hornsby+ 1.2449 1925
    11. Lou Gehrig+ 1.2395 1927
    12. Babe Ruth+ 1.2248 1930
    13. Mark McGwire 1.2224 1998
    14. Jimmie Foxx+ 1.2181 1932
    15. Frank Thomas 1.2167 1994
    16. Rogers Hornsby+ 1.2031 1924
    17. Jeff Bagwell 1.2009 1994
    18. Mark McGwire 1.1977 1996
    19. Hugh Duffy+ 1.1955 1894
    20. Babe Ruth+ 1.1951 1931
     
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