Quality of Rush Remastered CDs?

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  1. Michael Martin

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    Received a bit of money for my birthday, and while I'm considering some new music, I'd like to upgrade some older CDs as well.

    Has anyone purchased the remastered versions of Power Windows, Grace Under Pressure, and/or Signals? What's the sound quality compared to the original CD releases? Are they worth buying to replace the originally released CDs?

    I'm really hoping they are...one of the "for sure" purchases using birthday money is Queensryche's Rage for Order, which from all sources is incredible.

    Thanks in advance for any opinions you can give.
     
  2. Angelo.M

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    I have the remastered versions of Power Windows and Hold Your Fire. I'd say there is minimal improvement from the original CD releases. PW was, to my ear, a decent recording, but, by comparison, HYF sounds like it was recorded under water.

    I haven't been impressed with a Rush recording since Moving Pictures. Why is it that the band with, arguably, three of the greatest rock musicians to ever breathe air on this planet haven't been meticulous about their studio recording quality?
     
  3. Brian L

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    The remaster of Moving Pictures is outstanding. While I do not have remasters of the later titles, I would have to agree that the sound quality of their later catalog, including the last few CD's was not very good.

    Now, is that because the source elements were not very good, or because of some bad choices in mastering? I sure don't know.

    FWIW, there is lots of discussion online and in print about Vapor Trails suffering from severe peak digital limiting, compression, etc. In fact, its a poster child for the problem.

    Having been a Rush fan for over 20 years, I can't accept that the band approved the release that way. Since I don't seem to have Alex, Geddy, or Neil's phone numbers handy, I guess we can't really find out for sure, but I would love to know what they think about it.

    BGL
     
  4. Mike Broadman

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    I have all of the remasters. Like most catalogue re-releases, I find that the older the album, the greater the improvement in sound in the new releases.

    I don't have any problem with the way Hold Your Fire was recorded. I think it sounds fine. It was with Counterparts or maybe Roll the Bones where they started over-compressing. But that has nothing to do with Michael's question, since the remasters only go up to A Show of Hands.
     
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  7. Michael Martin

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    Thanks for the feedback. I also did some googling on alt.music.rush, and the comments here seem to mirror the ones on that group, for the most part.

    I was hoping that the remasters would be an improvement along the lines of Queensryche's recent remasters, but apparently that's not the case. For now, I'll plan on directing my dollars elsewhere.

     
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    Not to hijack, but it has amazed me these individuals always seemed on the "bleeding edge", yet never embraced DVD, audio surround formats, etc.... even their MTV videos are hokey (though that could be on purpose). I would like to say "it's only about the music", but if they can't oversee decent audio mastering, that seems pretty weak.

    Tom Sholz/Boston is in the same boat, imho. (though I haven't listened to their last 2 releases).
     
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    Michael:

    I enjoy and would recommend the remasters of all three you mentioned (although remastering did little to help Peter Collins' engineer James "Jimbo" Barton's compressed master mixes of PW and HYF).

    I also recommend the MFSL Ultradisc of Signals, which I keep coming across copies of at used CD stores. (If you dig "The Weapon," you may want to peep my comments here: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...95#post1621195).

    FWIW, the biggest revelation/improvement amongst "The Rush Remasters" over the original CD for me was one you didn't inquire about: Permanent Waves. The remasters of the "older" (pre-Signals) albums also rectify Mercury's deletion of artwork and liner notes on their original CD releases.

    Paul
     
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    Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab.

    I think there have been 3 MFSL Rush releases...

    Signals
    2112
    Moving Pictures

     
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    I have a pretty good sound system in my car and I was just listening to HYF about 4 times the other day and noticed the the recording quality/remaster isn't great. Sounds fine, but like others have said, pre- G/P albums sound better. I noticed that the HYF remaster has a noticeable lack of bass and the vocals sound kind of flat. Don't know if it's worth an upgrade, unless you have money burning a hole in your pocket.

    And speaking of the lousy production quality of Vapor Trails, has anyone ever inquired on Geddy Lee's website? He seems to answer intelligent inquiries pretty regularly.
     
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    Again, not to derail the thread, but is the Show of Hands concert available on DVD?
     
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    [Off topic]

    Angelo:

     
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    Great info, thanks.
     
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    I have the three MFSL Rush recordings, and I A/B'd 'em with the remasters. I preferred the remasters. For perspective, my system consists of:

    Outlaw 950 pre-pro
    EAD Powermaster 1000 amp
    Denon 2900 DVD player
    Polk LSi's (25, C, FX)
    SVS 20-39 PC+
    Homegrown Audio Silver Lace IC's
    DH Labs Q-10 speaker wire.

    Kirk's point is well-taken. I've been a die-hard Rush fan since 1981. Would that Messers Lee, Lifeson, and Peart cared as much about their recordings' sound quality as much as they do their live shows'. If they were as meticulous toward recorded sound as another favorite band of mine, Steely Dan, we'd be happy campers.
     
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    If only everyone were as meticulous as Steely Dan. Then we'd have nothing to complain about! [​IMG]

    Given the choice of the MFSL discs and Rush remasters, I'd take the remasters. They are very good, and they are a lot cheaper.
     

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