Please help newbie choose a sub!

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  1. Gary Dehardt

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    I'm putting together my first HT system and so all of this is pretty new to me. I turn to you guys for some pearls of wisdom.

    I have B&W 602's up front and the B&W CC 6S2 as a center.

    I'm moving into an apt. in NYC soon, at which point I'll add surround speakers (probably the 601's). I'd like to add a sub to my system as well. I've never owned a sub b/f so I don't exactly know what to look for. I'd like something that's a good match for my 602's. Also, since I'll be moving into a NYC apt., earth rattling base may not be in my future.

    The following subs have been recommended to me:

    Paradigm PDR-10 ($350)

    Paradigm PDR-12 ($419)

    PS-1000 ($549)

    Infinity 100s ($500)

    As I said, I'd like a sub that matches my 602's (under $500).

    1) Since I've never had a sub, will I really be missing anything by spending say $350 instead of $550?

    2) How big should the sub be - "8? "10?

    Finally, I've been offered the DefTech Pro Sub 80 for $150. 3) Would this be a good match for my 602's?

    It seems like a good deal that prehaps I should jump on, but I don't want to spend the $150 only to decide in a couple of months that I should have gone for a bigger sub.

    I'm using:

    Sony "32 TV

    Sony 30ES receiver

    Sony CA7ES cd player

    Toshiba 4700 DVD player (will buy this soon)

    I use my system 50% for HT, 50% for music.

    4) Should I jump on the DefTech or should I go w/one of the above mentioned subs? I really like my system so far and don't want to compromise it by adding a "weak link." At the same time, any money I could save on a sub could be used towards other improvements (cd player?) Are there other subs I should be looking at?

    I don't know who else to turn to for advice and I would greatly appreciate any advice (especially from B&W people)!

    Thanks in advance.

    GH
     
  2. Jeffrey Noel

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    Gary, I would highly suggest researching the Adire Audio Rava and the HSU VTF-2 here on the forum. Each sub is below $500 and extremely well thought of!

    Have you ever thought of building your own sub? I built one for ~$350-400 and it will probably kick around
     
  3. Gary Dehardt

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    Jeffrey,

    I'm the least handy person in the world, so unfortunately, that's out. But I will definately look into the models that you suggested. Thanks!

    GH
     
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    1) In this price range you get a good performance boost for a few $$$ more. Adire's Rava ($399) -> Hsu VTF-2($499) -> Adire Dharman ($599), SVS subs ($599+), etc. IMO, bass reproduction is critical to any HT or music enjoyment & worth the extra expense.

    2) Don't get too caught up on cone size (15" is not always better than 12"). A subwoofer must be capable of moving large amounts of air. This means cone area (diameter) X linear displacement (Xmax). Other important factors are amplifier power and enclosure size & type.

    I would strongly suggest investigating Adire's Rava subwoofer and Hsu's VTF-2 in the
     
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    Like Jeffery said, look at the Rava ($399). I think it will be more along the lines of what you want then the VTF2.

    I'd stay far away from the Paradigm PS series. Bandpass boom box. The PDR10/12 aren't bad sound wise, but a Rava would kill them both in sound quality and output.

    I would place every sub you've listed as an extreme weak link in comparison to your speakers. The Rava is worthy though.
     
  6. Gary Dehardt

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    Thanks. Looks like I'll be spending a little more on a sub that I originally planned, but I don't mind if it's the integrity of my system that we're talking about. Consensus so far seems to be in favor of the Rava, and possibly the Hsu VTF-2. I don't think my local dealer carries these brands...are they available for purchase online?

    Thanks again.

    GH
     
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    A lot of subs to choose from, this forum particulary loves SVS subs. Let me throw out another manufacturer that these forums don't mention often, "VELODYNE".
     
  9. Gary Dehardt

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    Any particular model of Velodyne or SVS that would go well with my 602's? What about Klipsch?
     
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    Velodyne CHT-10 or CHT-12 are definitely in your price range.
     
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    i'd go with a Hsu VTF-2. www.jeffssoundvalues.com has it for $425. that's the best price i could find. (FWIW, i have an SVS [​IMG])
     
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    Klipsch's KSW subs aren't up to much. The RSW are pretty good but out of your price range.
     
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  14. Gary Dehardt

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    Will the Velodyne CHT-10 or CHT-12 go well w/my 602's? I guess I'll add them to my list, along w/the Rava and the Hsu. If I'm willing to spend a little more, would an SVS buy a good investment?
     
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    Gary,

    for your budget I'd recommend the 12" Velodyne...however if you can swing it...I'd check out an Earthquake MkIV 12" sub...they run about 1500 MSRP...but it would last you a lifetime, and I am sure it would best the majority of subs out there.

    Eric.
     
  16. Gary Dehardt

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    Thanks everybody.

    And Brian - no problem..ask away!

    OK, so Rava, HSU, Velodyne...those are the three I'm looking at now.

    B&W 602's, 1 bedroom apt. in NYC...50-50 music/HT. I'm open to advice/suggestions...

    Dustin, why do you say that the VTF2 isn't what I'm looking for? (is it b/c it'd wake my neighbors?)

    Thanks again.

    Gary
     
  17. Dustin B

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    An ideal sub is great for both music and movies. But compromises must be made inorder to keep a subs size and cost down (which is why DIY subs can be such good values, if space isn't a concern and you don't have to worry about shipping it, you can build huge subs to get high output at a low cost, check my sig for an example). As the compromises go, the VTF2 compromises towards better for home theater while the Rava compromises to better for music.

    I was under the impression that you wanted really tight defined bass, and last octave output was a secondary consideration considering your environment. With those impressions I would recommend the Rava over the VTF2.

    Velodyne doesn't say if the CHT series are sealed or vented. It appears they are sealed. If so I would say the CHT12 and Rava will be very close to each other in performance. So unless you can find the CHT12 for close to the price of a Rava, I would stick with the Rava. If the price is close, you'll have the benefit of being able to audition in store (Velodyne is a solid name is subs), rather than risk shipping for returning a Rava. However, I highly doubt you'll be disappointed with a Rava.
     
  18. Dustin B

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    Hmm, I just went to refresh my memory on some specs of the Rava and decided to look at the reviews they had posted. This quote was in the second one:

     

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