Planet of the Apes (2001) Two-disc DEAD!!!???

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  1. Adam_WM

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    What a bunch of horse poop this is. Check out this story from DVD Angle :
    The confusion surrounding the 'same price' versions of Planet of the Apes (2001) has been cleared up -- and the news isn't so good. One of the most impressive DVD releases ever, Planet of the Apes (2001): 2-Disc Special Edition, is being cleared out and placed on moratorium. Yes, you read that correctly. The amazing 2-disc set is being replaced by a single disc version! If you don't already own the 2-disc version, get it now...before it's too late.
    What a sham.
     
  2. LukeB

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    Old news, but yes, a sham, nevertheless.
     
  3. Bill Crosthwait

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    That is to bad. Why is Fox doing this?
     
  4. Mark Walker

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    I am not trying to defend Fox, but this plan of
    reducing 2-disc sets to one actaully makes some
    sense to me.
    Die hard fans who care about extras will buy the
    2 disc set before it goes on moratorium. Once
    the film on DVD for a while, real fans will have
    purchased it.
    Those people who don't think of film as anything
    other than occasional entertainment can buy the
    bare bones release if they decide they want it.
    Why should Fox continue to pump out
    everything-but-the-kitchen-sink DVD editions,
    when the people who care already own that version?
    And, gee..."collector's edition," as a title will
    really start to mean something again.
    If somone REALLY wants the collector's edition
    at a much later date, they will probably still be able
    to find it, even if it is just at eBay.
    From a business standpoint, it makes
    sense to stop pumping out 2 disc versions after
    the initial saturation of the product on the market.
    If you REALLY want the special edition, you
    would've bought it buy now; DVD has enough
    saturation in the marketplace for this to be
    the time for Fox and the other studios to
    start deciding what SE content makes titles
    must buy for film fans, and what
    a price reduction along with the cost cutting
    meansure of eliminating of the second disc
    will make the "joe six packs" of
    the world pick it up for $14.99 or less.
    (And I still see plenty of copies of
    Snow White out there, and it
    was heavily advertised as going oop altogether
    over a month ago.)
    Mark
     
  5. Mikah Woodward

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    Contrary to what Fox obviously thinks, I don't have the money to buy every DVD I want as soon as it is released. I guess this means that I have a few titles I might as well take off my wishlist, as I have no plans whatsoever to buy the dumbed down single disc versions.
    And, I ask Mark: What do you consider a "real fan"? Obviously someone who has a lot of cash. I suppose I don't qualify as I only buy about 6 DVDs per month.
     
  6. Mark Walker

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    Mikah-
    I don't have lots of cash myself.
    But if you are buying 6 DVDs a month,
    I guess expecting you to pick up any SEs
    of FOX titles you REALLY WANT within 6 months
    of them being released is too much to exspect?
    So out of 36 films on DVD,
    you didn't fit Planet of the Apes
    in there somewhere?
    That makes it sound pretty low priority to me
    on your list. And don't forget the 2 disc set
    will still be sitting in stores for a significant
    amount of time after they stop making the 2 disc set.
    (I'd guess one will have at least an additional
    six months after it goes into moratorium before it
    fully dissappears off retailers' shelves and
    eBay becomes the only place to find the OOP version.)
    With the constant posts in this
    forum regarding all the street date purchases,
    I would figure that FOX is on target with regards
    to thinking people who really love the movie will
    get it within the first several months of it being
    on DVD.
    Mark
     
  7. Mikah Woodward

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    It's not that PotA was low on my list, it's just that my wishlist comprises some 300 titles (and poorly organized btw, when I filled the March 2002-November 2003 folders, I was just a little bit too excited about TV shows on dvd)
    Honestly, one DVD going out of production doesn't bother me that much. What does bother me is that I know that many other DVDs on my wishlist will go out of production before I get a chance to buy them.
     
  8. Joey B

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    What about people who have yet to get into DVD? Are they just out of luck when they see that I have a 2-disc SE and want it but can only find the 1-disc version? Just because we all got our copies, doesn't mean there won't be people down the road that want it too. (Personally, I'm glad to see it go because I thought POTA was pretty stupid, but at $15 and such a great package, it's been hard to resist!)

    Joey
     
  9. Mark Walker

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    Joey-

    With DVD players prices starting at $100 these

    days, if someone is STILL watching VHS, then

    the clearly don't care about special features

    on every DVD their going to buy whenever the

    eventually get into DVD.

    It if for this reason of timing, that I think

    FOX has made this shift in DVD product: those

    who care about extras have DVD players now.

    If they don't know, they probably cannot afford

    to buy much of FOX's product anyway...and lest we

    forget this is a business.

    I would do exactly what FOX is doing:

    release tons of product loaded to the gills.

    Once it is on the market for a while and is

    starting to "collect dust" in retailers,

    cease production of the 2-disc version, and

    release a 1 disc version at a lower price point.

    Collector's get a collectors edition;

    Casual movie viewers get the movie-only bargain version.

    This way MOST people get what they want, and

    FOX doesn't have a lot of multi-disc product

    sitting in storage, or that they have to keep on repressing.

    Sorry, but this system,

    at this point in DVD's history makes

    perfect sense to me.

    Show me somone who really loves movies who

    does not have access to a DVD player at this point.

    (And I'm not talking about 16 year olds.)

    Mark
     
  10. Bryan_ZZ

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    Joey,
    Respectfully, yes, they are out of luck. I was lucky enough to have purchased the Fantastic Anchor Bay Halloween special edition three years ago, and I am glad I did! It was a limited special edition and I feel special for having it.
    I have also missed out on some other great releases, such as the Army of Darkness 2 disc LE. I didn't get there in time. I wish that weren't the case, but it is.
    My point is that there should be something said for being in the right hobby at the right time. We all have a short list of OOP or hard to find "holy grail" discs that truly belong in our collection - it just wouldn't be special if every release ever made was on every store shelf all the time. It is part of the game.
    I better get that POTA release soon! If not, I will post a message on HTF telling Fox they are crazy![​IMG]
    Bryan
     
  11. James Miller

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  12. Mark Walker

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    James-
    You make an excellent point, which
    I almost posted in my comments earlier.
    A film of Citizen Kane's ilk
    would not, and should not ever warrant a
    reduction in special features on DVD.
    But, let's get real...Planet of the Apes
    was pure summer fodder,
    and a low point in Tim Burton's career.
    Many films we are lucky to get 2 disc editions
    in the first place!
    Mark
     
  13. Nate Anderson

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    Wow...I'm glad I already picked it up...
     

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