Hello everyone. I have a tough choice between the following 2 receivers and was hoping to hear your comments and advice. (The current exchange rate is US$1 = R6.50 just fyi) Pioneer VSX-D812: R 4 000 Onkyo TX-SR501: R4 500 I can also get the Yamaha RXV-440 or last year's Onkyo TX-SR600 for R5 000 I realise that these prices are way higher than what I have seen at US online retailers, but I'm not going to be buying online (and I doubt anyone will ship to South Africa anyway). Denon 6.1 Amp prices are too high for me and Harmon Kardon is not available in my city as far as I know. Rule out refurbished products as well. The use will be 90% for Home Theatre. I'm not a big music fan, so DVD-Audio/ SACD is not a major issue for me. I will be hooking up the dvd and satellite video output to the receiver and sending only one video output to the tv (I hope this is the right way to do it). Current DVD player: Pioneer DV-355 (Non-progressive scanning) I have listened to the Onkyo TX-SR600 hooked up to Energy speakers, and was quite impressed. The salesman assured me the the 501 was not much different (less power mainly) I haven't heard the Pioneer 812 and will only be able to hear the VSX-712 at the shop. However I've really enjoyed the sound from my Pioneer DVD player hooked up to my old stereo (discussed below) I have a small room (5m x 4m) and won't be using the rear channel immediately. I want it for future-proofing. Currently I'm sending the L/R audio output into my Sony GRX8 hifi which comes with great (to my ears anyway) 4 way front speakers and a not so great pair of small surround speakers. I intend to upgrade to an active sub later. I'm considering buying the Sony SS-CR550HM Centre and Surround Bookshelf Speaker Kit (Price: R 1200)and sticking with my current fronts from my old hifi to get up to a 5.0 system (details of the the Sony SS-CR550HM below) 150W Max Power Handling Centre with 2 120W Max Power Handling Rear Speakers Centre: 2 Way 3 Driver Speaker; 2 Way 2 Driver Rears 89dB Sensitivity Centre Speaker, 86dB Sensitivity Rears 85Hz - 50kHz Frequency Response Centre and Rears Bass Reflex Design Centre, Closed Rears CENTRE SPEAKER UNIT Woofer 2 x 130mm Kevlar Cone Tweeter 1 x 25mm Balance Dome REAR SPEAKER UNITS Woofer 1 x 130mm Kevlar Cone Tweeter 1 x 25mm Balance Dome Later I want to add the sub and a better quality centre channel speaker and move the Sony the Sony SS-CR550HM centre to the rear centre channel. Much later I want to move my hifi fronts to the surround position and buy some floor standing front speakers. Thanks for reading my post and I look forward to your replies.