After months of reading, comparing, listening, reading, hesitating, buying some other things, some more reading, ... I finally limited my choice for a receiver to the 45TX, VSX-2011 in europe, and the 3802, well the new 3803. Yamaha, Kenwood, Marantz, SHerwood-Newcastle were disqualified because of their non existing bass management. Shame... HK and Onkyo won't do it either because almost no support this side of the water. Won't consider Sony because way to expensive over here and because the most interesting new models are not available over here. So I stay with some questions : Is the bass management i.e. crossover settings, for both models equivalent? Would you take the Pioneer only for its MACC feature? As both models are around the same price level, are they also equivalent in terms of build quality, hifi quality, surround quality, power (Pioneer beeing heavier), features, ...? I know it's a little bit early for real tests and comparisons of these two models, but at least the 45TX is already available in the US, our VSX-2011 version isn't yet. Availability of the Denon 3803 in europe is one of the big questions in life. Any input would be much appreciated !