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Discussion in 'Playback Devices' started by frank<t, Sep 29, 2003.
what do you guys think about the pioneer elite dv-45a pros/cons vs all others
There are literally 100's of posts on the 45A. Hit the search function....those threads will tell you what you want to know.
I have a 45A, and will offer the opinion that its subjective video performance can be much better than the test results at Secrets would lead you to think. Key word there is SUBJECTIVE. It will fail most OBJECTIVE video tests, but put in a movie and hit play, and it can look pretty damn good.
I am also very happy with the audio section for all media.
As for video, I am currently testing it against a Denon 1600, which is a top scoring player at Secrets.
With poorly authored DVDs (101 Dalmatians II), its no contest, the Denon kills the 45A, which combs horribly on that title. Turning off 3.2 detection takes care of the combing, but softens the image.
With decent software (Monster's Ins.) the 45A is a bit softer than the 1600, but you would not notice unless both machines had the same disc and you could toggle back to back (guess what I did last night?).
Then, I ran the 45A interlaced, and used the deinterlacer in my TV (Pioneer 533HD), while leaving the 1600 in progressive mode.
Again using Monster's, the softness on the 45A goes away. I spent about a 3/4 of an hour playing scenes on Monster's Inc and The Sum of All Fears on both machine simultaneously. You would be hard pressed to tell them apart.
One more comment. The 45A is listed as having problem with the "Chroma Bug" or CUE. On my display it just flat out does not show this, and believe me, I have looked, and A/B'd with the Denon which does not have it.
The scene from Monsters that's near Mike's Car which will show this, looks identical on my rig. It is possible, or even likely, that my display is masking this for one reason or another, but since I can not see it when compared to one of the best players ever, it is not going to be an issue for me.
You really want to try a 45A on your own display before condemming it due to its having the CUE. You may or may not see it.
As you can tell, I am on the fence as to whether or not I will keep the 1600. Running the 45A with my TV's deinterlacer has for the most part illiminated the advantage that the 1600 has in the video department, and since the 45A is a universal player with great audio performance, why do I need two players?
I have the better part of 30 days to try the 1600, and will be doing more tests, but so far, my 45A has held up well; much better than I would have thought.
Appreciate the subjective reality check feedback on this unit. I've been considering this player or the 47Ai mainly for audio (and would get it audio modded), so I'm not as concerned with the video, although as a near term bonus, it would be nice not to have a separate player taking up another shelf just for video (RP-91 in my case). Adding your add'l comments on interlaced performance when using good deinterlacing performance from your display is another plus for me, as my display also has good deinterlacing performance (Infocus SP7200).
I have one question, concerning the user interface for audio. Do you ever need to go into the menu system to change from 2 channel to multichannel for either SACD or DVD-A? From reading the manual, it looks like this is necessary for SACD and maybe also for changing groups for DVD-A (when the disc requires 2ch/mch changes via a group change). The remote does have an Audio button, which appears would be sufficient when the DVD-A 2ch/mch switching is controlled in this manner, so no menu would be necessary. Given that I would typically not want to turn on my display just for audio, I am hopeful that in the worst case scenario, programming a couple of macros to do the 2ch/mch swap is feasible.
Thanks for the comparison info. Can there ever be enough DV-45a threads for the likes of us?
Two questions just for thoroughness' sake:
1) how did you switch on your Pioneer TV's deinterlacer?
2) does switching to interlaced on the 45a simply entail turning off the 'progressive' light using the front-panel button, or are there menu changes to be made as well?
Yup, I am a slut for 45A discussion.
As for the TV, you can not turn off the deinterlacer per se. If you send it an interlaced signal, it will convert to progressive; its native mode is 480P or 1080i. There is a toggle for 3.2 detection, but that just changes the deinterlacer from film to video mode.
And yes, the 45A has only the front panel switch to enable progressive scanning. There are menu items for 3.2 detection (Pure Cinema in Pioneer speak), but that only allows for automatic, film mode, or video mode.
Having said that, IIRC there is a menu choice that allows the player to switch in and out of progressive mode based on disc content, but I have read that flagging can be iffy, so I just leave that off, and switch with the front panel. Guess I am just a manual control kind of guy.
Note to frank.....looks like you are getting your moneysworth here! Maybe more than you really wanted to know?
Thanks for the review Brian, any thoughts on audio performance of the 1600?