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Discussion in 'Playback Devices' started by Brajesh Upadhyay, Jul 17, 2003.
I finally got around to testing for the chroma bug. Like some people have already reported, there's no trace of it on the 563A. I tested the "Toy Story" menu as shown in the Secrets' article, plus the "Monsters, Inc." DVD.
Everyone must understand that the DSD to PCM conversion is what really makes this player cheaper more than anything else about it. DSD to PCM is key here. Reading DSD literatue on the net and what comes with the discs, it all claims how different and better it is over PCM and here is a player that takes those "benefits" and transforms it back into what the SACD camp says is "inferior". DSD to PCM is NOT an innovation but more like a side-step.
**I still love this player and the sound of both DVD-Audio and SACDs (especially multichannel) from it. I love it more because I understand what is going on inside of it as well and accepted it for what it is.**
Another key point for any DVD-Audio, SACD or Universal player is ANALOG BASS MANAGEMENT (until the HDMI connection anyway). Higher priced players have it. If it is found that the 563A doesn't have it then it ISN'T really that great a value because instead of only paying $180 for a universal player, you'll end up spending $450+ instead (still less than a $1000 Denon or Yamaha true enough) to get it and an ICBM. It is extremely IMPORTANT to have proper bass management for DVD-Audio AND SACDs because each title can be engineered to either use the LFE Sub channel or NOT. They can be engineered to have the bass in the individual channels, LFE or both. Without proper bass management, any bass frequencies in the Front L/R, Center and Surround L/R will be lost on small speakers.
Another thing about the DSD to hires PCM conversion (and any potential loss of signal quality).
For me only:
This probably won't mean too much, simply because I'm trying to get in on this cheap. So if I were to get a true SACD player, like the Sony 222ES, I'd have to get a 5.1 switcher (and I'd just get the Rat Shack switcher, not some multi-hundred dollar one) and that would introduce its own degradation in signal quality. My receiver only has one set of 5.1 inputs and I'm not about to try and upgrade that as well.
Wow, I'm really talking myself into this purchase!
Brian, can you point me to a link with info on the MCM switch box you are using? Or better, a place that sells them online?
It appears they have raised the price...a LOT!
I paid about $8 each. They are now almost double that, so RS will perhaps be cheaper.
That said, for what they are, the build quality is far better than RS, unless RS changed their design.
Thinking about a switcher. How about something like these stackable RCA connectors: stackable RCA That way you could leave them both plugged in and I assume it would work as long as both players aren't on at once. Any thoughts on whether this would work or not?
Hmmm, that does look intriguing Jeff. Anybody familiar with the tech side of things wanna chime in and say if this is a good idea?
Bottom line though is that I'll prolly try it if I do go separate components - it's only like a $6 risk for 3 pairs...
I have never tried doing that, but for what its worth, you would want to be VERY careful not to have both players powered on at the same time.
While it is normally no problem to use Y Connectors for OUTPUTs, it is generally not advisable with INPUTs.
I would still go with the cheapest switch boxes you can find. I think the Rat Shack boxes are less than $10 each. For $20 you have a good system, with no fear of blowing anything up.
Whew, we have a lot of stuff to disagree on here:
It seems like that's been tried here, but it didn't work because it reduced the input signal too much. You might try a seach and see exactly what they had to say, but I do recall that using switchboxes was the only practical option for using two decks.
The Yamaha DVD-S2300 and Denon DVD-2900 are more expensive for many reason, one of which is that they both have SEPERATE circuits for DVD-Audio and SACD and treat both differently based on everything I've read about them. DSD is different from PCM period. Converting DSD to PCM is not treating DSD and PCM seperately. Instead, the output path is combined into ONE. In theory that would result in LESS specialized components to use which in theory should result in lower cost if my logic is correct.
OF COURSE when anyone is refering to the importance of Analog Bass Management, it's not for those with all true full-range speakers with a player speaker setting to Large. If anyone doesn't have all full-range speakers then Analog Bass Management and especially the lack of it, is a VERY BIG ISSUE. Also, everyone should be clear on what FULL-RANGE SPEAKERS are. Even, if you do not have "super-tiny-micro speakers" and think you have "pretty big speakers" you'll still need analog bass management because few bookshelf and small tower speakers come close to being true full-range speakers that can handle deep bass like a true stand alone subwoofer. If you or anyone has all true full-range speakers then yes you don't have to be concerned with analog bass management and everything I have posted here is obviously not for you.
Discs that use the LFE channel are found more on DVD-Audio not SACD. I admit to limited knowledge of SACD though.
Sam Scamardo, all of the problems you say BM could be true. Now think about everyone who would have to use it because they lack true full range speakers to produce bass accurately! I'm having to use an Outlaw ICBM which I feel doesn't have any of the problems you describe. Forunately for me, I can still set the 563A to Large in the speaker setup.
HDMI will be digital and analog bass management will not be a concern. At CES it was also revealed that a $250 version player similar to the 563A will have HDMI.
Having said all of the above, I LOVE this player. Because I'm getting great SACD multichannel and DVD-Audio sound at a cheap price is one of MAIN reasons.
Thanks for the link to the DV-AX10 review, in which reviewer John Sunier says that the poor SACD sound quality of the DV-AX10 compared to the Sony players he had on hand is . . .