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Physical Media might not be dead, but Physical Media in Retail Stores are accelerating the death

Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by mrz7, Mar 4, 2018.

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  1. Worth

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    I still buy discs for things I want to own and there are a number of good arguments in favour of physical media, but price has never been one of them. Even if my internet bill tripled overnight, it would still cost more to buy everything I watch on disc.
     
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    What I got from the article, and why I prefer physical, is that it's all about ease of access, quality, and availability. Availability being perhaps the largest factor. I know that every time I visit my son and look on Netflix for something to watch I usually settle for a lesser choice as they just don't have the diversity of my collection and rarely what I truly want to watch. It's much the same for Amazon, although I do find some classic TV there, some of which has never received a physical release.

    My ISP already "charges more" for streaming by implementation of an artificial data cap for slower speeds (200Mbps has a 250Gb cap while 400Mbps is unlimited.) My wife and I do just fine on 200Mbps were it not for that data cap which we can easily hit (and I rarely stream anything) so I did a speed/price "upgrade" solely to avoid overage charges which are more than the cost of the speed increase.

    I rarely stream. 95%+ of my viewing is from disc. My TV is not connected to cable and hasn't been for almost 5 years. If I could ever get my wife to "cut the cable" I could triple the physical media purchases I make in a month. But I can't keep up watching what I'm currently purchasing so those unwatched/unopened piles would grow at a very serious rate.

    The next 50 years will be interesting (not that I'll be around to see it). If copyright's not extended, again, just for "The Mouse," then that future of "every movie and TV show ever made being available" for streaming might actually come true.
     
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    Same. I consider it future proofing.
     
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    Again, it’s not fair to compare a la carte physical media purchases with subscription streaming services as they offer two different products. It always seems so disingenuous to me when people say “I like discs because Netflix doesn’t have what I want.”

    That’s like saying “I like discs because HBO doesn’t have what I want.”

    Except no one thinks that HBO should offer every single thing ever made in perpetuity.

    Digital storefronts are the equivalent of discs. That’s where the comparison is. It doesn’t make sense to compare buying an individual title on disc with subscribing to a service that promises a rotating selection of licensed content along with a library of original productions. It makes sense to compare buying an individual title on disc with buying an individual title on storefronts like iTunes or Vudu.

    There are plenty of valid reasons to prefer one or the other; it doesn’t seem necessary to me to insert fake reasons too.
     
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    In addition to my earlier post, I just prefer having what I want when I want to watch it.
     
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    Like broadcast TV, streaming services are all about people just looking for something, anything, to watch and kill some time. They're essentially the same thing. I dumped broadcast for the same reason I don't bother with streaming services. Basically that I grew tired of "stumble upon" TV (and with broadcasters the ever increasing commercials and "bugs") and not particularly liking most of the current offerings.

    I built a library of movies and TV shows for the same reason I built a library of music. So I can listen to/watch whatever I want on my schedule and not have to wait for some "broadcaster" to decide it's time to run/play it again.
     
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    I liked being able to stumble upon things on Netflix when it was new and had a lot more obscure stuff. Everything started when I wanted it to, so it wasn't like flipping TV channels and finding something that had already started. I can't tolerate the credit shrinking or skip intro prompts though, dropped it when that happened. Wish someone would start a similar service with no annoyances and lots of older material without much concern about having something "hot".

    Agree that the amount of money spent on subscriptions shouldn't count against the money spent on media purchases. Were cable subscriptions ever compared to it before that? My main reasons for not buying as much media as I used to are being out of shelf space and there not being as much out there that I want. I'm not going to substitute digital purchases in any case.
     
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    Sure, but as with music, it doesn't necessarily have to be on disc anymore.
     
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    I have similar sentiments as described in your first paragraph. Though your second paragraph is completely the opposite experience for me.

    Over the years I dropped cable and/or streaming services, when I came to the realization I was just "stumbling upon" stuff and hardly watching anything subsequently.

    Paradoxically I found that when I dropped cable/streaming altogether at various times, I was watching my vhs/dvds/blurays even LESS. In the end during time periods where I had no cable/streaming service, I ended up wasting all my time netsurfing or at the local casinos.

    I came to the realization that cutting off one service (ie. cable), did not always lead to what I originally intended (ie. watching dvd/bluray). I ended up veering off into a complete different direction (ie. casinos, etc ...).
     
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    A year or so later of self-imposed no-cable/no-streaming, I ended up subscribing again to cable.

    Oddly enough, I stopped going to casinos as a result.

    Unfortunately I have not yet been able to find any combination of self-imposed restrictions, which would lead me to regularly watching my dvds/blurays.
     
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    This statement that most people only stream film is not true. We have a collectors club here with 4700 members and not one ever streams or downloads film. We all buy DVDs & Blu-rays. I wouldn't give you a second of my time to bother downloading anything.
     
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    Trying to find an only streamer at a collectors club is like trying to find a vegetarian at the cattlemans association. ;) The numbers are out there - although, like you, I buy dvds and Blu Rays - the majority of our world is now streaming.
     
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    For me, it's simple...I like both physical media and streaming. Streaming is good for more recent movies and TV shows, and I very much appreciate being able to check out many current or recent TV shows and not have to spend any money on collecting the few I might want to own in my personal collection on physical media. I feel quite confident that shows like Friends, The Big Bang Theory, Law & Order, Game of Thrones, etc. are going to be available on some streaming platform at any given time...and if there happens to be a gap of several months when these kinds of shows aren't available - well, I can wait for it to crop back up somewhere else down the line. There are so many original scripted shows on streaming sites these days that I'm forced to be very picky with what I watch. Doing so at an ala carte price point is a great deal as far as I'm concerned.

    For classic films and TV shows (which are predominantly what I buy on disc), I know that streaming options are limited, and so am happy to purchase what I want to own. Considering that many vintage TV series' season sets are heavily discounted these days makes collecting such titles on physical media a no-brainer for me.

    So for me, it's a "best of both worlds" situation.
     
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    Hmm, not so limited for me as the following classic films I'd recently added to my HD Digital Library that haven't been released on Blu-ray:

    • The Sun Also Rises (1957)
    • Black Legion (1936)
    • All This, and Heaven Too (1940)
    • The Flame and the Arrow (1950)
    • Queen Christina (1933)
    • Camille (1936)
    • The Winning Team (1952)
    • San Francisco (1936)
    • Mary of Scotland (1936)
    • Born to Kill (1947)
    • The Lost Patrol (1934)
    • The Mayor of Hell (1933)
    • Band of Angels (1957)
    • Lady Killer (1933)
    • Marked Woman (1937)
    • Alice Adams (1935)
    • King's Row (1942)
    • Adventure (1945)
    • China Seas (1935)
    • Somebody Up There Likes Me (1956)
    • Keeper of the Flame (1942)
    • Lone Star (1951)
    • I am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang (1932)
    • Romeo and Juliet (1936)
    • Smart Money (1931)
    • The Informer (1935)
    • Johnny Belinda (1948)
    • Lassie Come Home (1943)
    • Deception (1946)
    • The Secret Garden (1949)
    • Night Must Fall (1937)

    One more thing, I bought 15 Blu-rays during Kino's sale which started today. I utilize digital and physical media to enjoy my favorite films including many classic film titles.
     
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    Well, two things, Robert: a) I live in Japan, where classic U.S. titles are limited availability, and b) I think you're you're talking about digital downloads, not streaming services per se, re: that list of titles above. When I mentioned streaming, I was referring to services like Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu, etc.

    Anyway, I think we are on the same page, as far as using whichever means are available to get to see what we want. :)
     
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    I quoted your post, but I'm speaking about my personal situation regarding discs and digital downloads/streaming. Secondly, if you're interested in classic film streaming then you shouldn't be using Netflix or Hulu for such streaming as their selections are limited at best. Amazon Prime has more of a selection of classic movie streaming, but it's not my first or second choice to do so due to limitations of titles and I just don't like the PQ of such movies.
     
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    Oh, trust me, I would never rely on Netflix or Hulu for classic movie or TV show streaming...thus the point of my first post. Agreed with you fully on the frequent lack of quality of Amazon's catalog content. Understandably, you guys and gals Stateside have a better choice for classic movie options than over here. Living overseas, I need to rely more on physical media - for the present at least. But I'm happy to have streaming options for newer stuff.
     
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    Great article, and very relatable. I don't have nearly as many disks as those collectors featured, but I do agree with a lot of what's been said/stated here. The section about the collector who was big into TV shows on DVD section (towards the middle) was spot-on; there is no way we would have been able to see all of these great shows in the 200X's (before streaming) without DVD technology.

    Also impressed that, though these collectors have a lot of physical media - their collections aren't messy/slopping looking, and are nicely arranged on shelves. I myself will never have this many disks (and don't have nearly as much space as these folks), but at the same time do still buy disks on occasion.

    Re: streaming, I've been doing that for almost 8 years, and am becoming increasingly disappointed with the slow speed/buffering. Though, I do admit the PQ has improved. And, on the plus side - it is nice to be able to catch up with a lot of the newer shows which haven't been released to physical media yet - and may never will.
     
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    a prime example of commercials is WE TV with the original Law & Order. Time speeding and commercials everywhere
     

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