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Physical Media might not be dead, but Physical Media in Retail Stores are accelerating the death

Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by mrz7, Mar 4, 2018.

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  1. stringbean

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    You know you're linking to an article from April, right? WAY before the service debuted...and this article has now been proven as 100% incorrect.

    Hallelujah. Thank you for saying it before I could.
     
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    But the mere fact it was debated and continues to do so means there is always the possibility of these cuts taking place. This is just one instance,..
     
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    Not really. It was always in the rumor category. It never came from any official Disney source as far as I remember.
     
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    Yes,..this is true, it was just a rumour but we avid collectors of physical media are always cautious! It might be alright, 'This Time',..but you just never know.
     
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    Right. You never know. And I will never advocate against physical anything. But in this case, the rumor was 100% wrong and should not be used in any argument or debate regarding physical or streaming.

    And with that, I'm done with this conversation.
     
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    True, but it does cut both ways. If you want to see the original theatrical cut of The Warriors, for example, you're out of luck on blu-ray. But it is available on iTunes.
     
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    For a short while until the license runs out. :P
     
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    No. That's like saying it's legit to ask someone "so when did you stop beating your wife?"

    Because someone can always say, "I know he denied it, but the fact that it was asked and continues to be discussed make it a legit concern."

    The Disney edits to Dumbo were fiction.
     
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    You’re confusing iTunes, which is a purchase site equivalent to buying a physical disc, with Netflix or Disney+ subscription services, which are the present day equivalent to cable TV.

    If you purchase a movie on iTunes, it’s yours. Even if the movie’s ownership changes hands, even if the studio decides to put it out of print so that no new copies may be sold, you still have your copy.

    Movies used to play on rotation in cable all the time, sometimes edited, and then disappear from the channel. That’s what subscription streaming is.

    It doesn’t help the discussion to conflate the two, or to blame one service for not providing something it never intended to provide.
     
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    I strongly suspect this is this case. Though with that being said.

    This is why I still buy paper books for non-fiction and highly technical subjects.

    For digital ebooks I read such as Star Wars, Star Trek, etc ... and other fictional type stuff, I largely don't care anymore about reading it again for more details and "learning". I'm not hardcore enough of a "canon lawyer" in regard to the intricacies of the Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, DC, etc .... universes. (Especially when such canon can be wiped out with a "hard reset" by the original copyright owners, such as what happens with various DC "crisis on infinite earths" events or the Disney/Lucasfilm expanded universe decanonization in 2014).

    For non-fiction subjects where I don't care much about going further into the intricate details, I'll read ebook (or pdf) versions of such books.
     
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    This isn't too surprising, considering that most of the dvd-video patents have expired already. Currently it is possible to make a computer dvd-rom drive which can read only dvd-rom discs (ie. not burned), which is basically patent-free.

    Most of these fees in the process of manufacturing pressed discs, are obviously the patent holders collecting royalties.

    The earliest bluray might go patent-free, is sometime after 2030.
     
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    Thanks for the link/post. Very informative article. And, this makes perfect sense - especially given that less people are buying physical media anyway due to the increasing ease/popularity of streaming in the past 5-8 years.

    Going along with this, I have noticed that - unfortunately - Blu-ray has not gotten nearly as popular as we HD fans would have liked, especially given that it's a 14-year old format at this point (it began in 2006). This is despite the fact that Blu players are backwards-compatible, and that people can play both Blu's & DVD's on their players. Also going along with this, when I got to brick & mortar stores to shop around for physical media (i.e. Big Lots, Target, Wal-mart, etc.) in all cases I see more DVD titles, and not nearly as many Blu titles. Even now, Blu is almost a niche format; you need to go online to get many of the titles - even those that aren't that obscure.

    In closing - as a huge fan of many TV shows, it is disappointing that many older & newer ones aren't released to Blu. That being said, in many cases some shows/seasons of shows aren't on regular DVD either. So, if some shows only get a physical media release on DVD, at least that's better than nothing.
     
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    On another thread, someone posted a list of physical media sales from 2019- Avengers Endgame sold almost 3.8 million units, with an estimated 65% BluRay, 35% DVD split. This means that about 2.456 million BluRays of
    Avengers Endgame sold. Physical media isn’t dying just yet.
     
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    If physical media were truly dying, would they go to the trouble to introduce yet another new format that puts movie theater-quality picture in sound in the palm of your hand?

    It is FUD, pure and simple.
     
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    That's about a third of what titles like Avatar and Frozen sold a few years ago.
     
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    All this ^ and other films regularly released on bluray, suggests there is a large enough number of hardcore fans of superhero, horror, scifi, and other genre type stuff who are willing to spend cash on bluray discs. Action movies to some extent too, which is not too genre specific.

    For other stuff which is not genre specific (ie. not superhero, not scifi, not fantasy, not horror, etc ...) nor action, the bluray versions (if they exist) are somewhat less certain of the volume of customers.


    (As an leading indicator of this).

    Over the years from looking at all the releases with special packaging versions, etc ... they appear to be almost always bluray since 2016 or so. Since then, I rarely ever see dvd-only versions of superhero, action, etc ... newly released movies in special packaging.

    As an example of this in region 1 or A, the last big tv show complete series sets with special packaging that I remember seeing widely available (such as at costco) as dvd-only versions, was stuff like Spartacus, Mad Men, Downton Abby, and Sons of Anarchy. Fast forward to the current day, The Big Bang Theory complete series set only had the special packaging version as bluray, while the dvd-only version was just a generic giant box set.

    (By "generic giant box set", I mean either the discs were packed into several giant generic 24+ (or 10) discs cases, or it was all the original dvd sets repackaged into a giant box).


    More generally, I always thought that anything that was released with special packaging was usually targeting the hardcore crowd. In the case of superhero, horror, scifi, fantasy, etc .... type stuff, this is not too surprising where hardcore "collector" types are buying everything released in that specific niche (such as blurays with special packaging, comic books, tshirts, toy figurines, etc .... without opening up the package in some cases).
     
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    I’d buy “The Orville” again if it ever came to Blu ray. Both seasons of this SciFi show are only available as DVDs.
     
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    Some shows shot on tape I'd settle for DVDs of just to have them finished. But after Fraggle Rock and Monty Python's Flying Circus, I say that if you can get higher resolution, then do it.
     
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