Peter Gabriel SACDs: Single-layer discs in the US, hybrids overseas. :o(

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  1. KeithH

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    In case you haven't heard, the word is that Peter Gabriel SACDs released by Geffen in the US, with the exception of UP, will be single-layer discs, but the same titles released by Virgin overseas will be hybrids. Apparently, the US version of UP will be a hybrid. Here is where I got my information:

    http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/sh...threadid=11494

    While those single-layer Geffen SACDs will probably be $14.99 at Best Buy, I might be tempted to order the Virgin hybrids. Of course, it depends on how much they cost. I wonder if Virgin Megastores will have them. They get in some other Virgin imports (e.g., Simple Minds, Human League).
     
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    Stupid move isn't Keith? I guess they must feel all the PG fans already bought the remastered CD's so they don't need the hybrids! I REALLY want SO at least. Doing the single layer domestically really takes the edge off these releases for me.
     
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    I'm tempted to pay more for the imports, but I just don't know if I'd ever listen to the Red Book layer. I don't do background listening, Walkmans, and I don't even own a car. If I'm listening to my stuff, it's invariably on the good stereo. I'm tempted, but the price will have to be damn close for me to justify paying for a hybrid. I just don't think I need the flexibility.

    Any word on the price difference?
     
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    Rich,

    That's a fair point. My guess is that as imports, the Virgin hybrid discs will sell for around $25. It will be interesting to see how readily available they will be. I'm sure they will be available through www.superaudio-cd.com .

    When I'm home, I almost exclusively listen to the SACD layers on hybrid discs. The exception is when I occasionally want to compare the two layers. However, I do a lot of casual listening in the car and office, where CD is obviously a must. That said, I usually buy the standard CD for use out of the house even if I have the title on a hybrid SACD. I don't like to beat up my hybrid SACDs. That's just me. As a result, I'd probably be better off buying the domestic remastered CDs (I already have So) and the single-layer SACDs. The question I have, however, is whether the CD layers on the hybrid discs will sound exactly the same as the remastered CDs. I'd be surprised if the albums would be remixed for CD so soon, but one never knows. I don't know how the remastered CDs were done. Were they mixed in DSD and then converted to PCM? I would think that the CD layers on the hybrids would be taken from the DSD masters used for the SACD layers. Hmmm....


    Charles,

    It is silly, but welcome to the wonderful world of SACD. The hybrid SACDs are a curiosity to me, but as I said to Rich, I will probably go with the remastered CDs and single-layer SACDs.
     
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    The same thing goes for The Police discs coming out as well. Single layer here in the states and Hybrids overseas. Check out Sting's official site for details:

    http://www.sting.com/newspress/latestnews/

    The only good news is that the Police dics are up for Pre-order for 12.99 at Circuit City (free shipping right now) so the Gabriel will probably be had at the same price. I ordered a couple, but am going to wait on ordering anymore until we have a better idea as to what the pricing of the import Hybrid will be.

    J
     
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    If it's half as much for the domestic single-layer, then I don't see why I'd purchase the import. As Keith notes, it would be better/safer to have a separate Red Book disc for travel, and if the pricing is as it appears to be, then no more expensive to buy separate discs either.

    I think the difference in price would have to be within $5 or so (shipping included) to justify purchasing the import-hybrid.

    So, the domestic (US) Police SACDs will be in Super Jewel Cases instead of Digipaks? Here's hoping!
     
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    Actually now that I think about it, both The Police will be a very interesting measuring stick as to the penetration of SACD. If sales numbers are ever published (kind of doubtful) we will be able to see clearly on a new release how many SACD vs. CD copies are sold of the same title released on the same day. I have a feeling that since these discs are not Hybrids (except 1) the sales numbers will be very very small on the SACD side. Kind of a shame. I guess Sony's Hybrid "proliferation plan" is only suitable for certain artists, labels, and decades.

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    My question is: If they are releasing the Police as hybrids in Europe, then why the hell are they also releasing CD only versions also? What's the point of that???
     
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    I've only got "Beggar's Banquet", "Let It Bleed", "Get Your Ya-Ya's Out" and "Aftermath UK", but not a single one sounds at all botched to my ears. What are the problems with these SACDs and what lessons do you think should be learned from those releases, Larry?

    I've never heard the quad mixes on the Dylan discs, but IMO this is an ideal opportunity to put the excellent mono mixes for the 60s-era titles on CD/SACD. I'd certainly be interested to hear the quad mixes, but the monos are truly historic and Dylan lavished much personal attention on them.
     
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