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Discussion in 'After Hours Lounge (Off Topic)' started by Jose Arellano, Aug 12, 2003.
Thoughts on this?
Pete Rose Returns
Baseball denies it.
I'm also a lifelong Reds fan who fears Pete coming to manage the team. Attendance would improve, but I don't want all that baggage.
The story sounds very suspect. Why would baseball allow Rose back in without requiring an admission of wrongdoing? They'd look like idiots.
I agree with my photographer RobertR, the story sounds bogus.
I hate to say that I think Pete Rose should never be allowed into the HOF. I think he was one of the greatest to play the game and I'd show future players the way he played, he left everything he had between the lines every day.
Baseball had the 'Black Sox' scandal at the beginning of the 1900's and it almost took the game down forever. Judge Landis and Babe Ruth are frequently given credit for saving the game. I believe that there were also 'point shaving' scandals involving the CCNY basketball team when they were both NIT and NCAA champs.
Baseball forgives the drug addicts, the spouse beaters, the primadonnas, the expectorators (sp?) and lots more. I feel that baseball or any other sport CAN NOT condone gambling on it by it's participants. The results of the games must in no way be made suspect by the possibility that they were influenced by gambling.
I just saw ESPN reporting on it, and I think it's possible.
Bottom line, I think the ban should be lifted, but I don't think he should coach. Let the guy in the hall of fame, he's earned it.
He belongs in the HOF. He was a great player. He does not belong in baseball in any other capacity. I'm afraid he is self-deluding. He still frequents gambling casinos.
If Pete Rose gets in the HOF, then Shoeless Joe Jackson should be admitted at the same time.
Why is it wrong to bet on your own team? I think he would be a goldmine for baseball if he could manage the reds back into the playoffs.
I don't understand the logic of letting him back into baseball (or even the HOF) if he admits to wrongdoing. The only leg he has to stand on now is that he still denies it and was never convicted of it by a jury, there was just strong evidence that he did (no criminal case was ever filed). If he admits to committing the cardinal sin of baseball, why would people want him back more. Much of his memorabilia is in the HOF as it should be, but putting his plaque up there should not be allowed in my opinion.
If you bet on the game....
you don't belong in the hall of fame.
Well, what about cheating? I would think that is far more serious than betting on the game. Do you think Sammy Sosa deserves to be inducted now?
Betting FOR one's own team is a bad practice, but is nowhere near as heinous as betting AGAINST your own team. That's the difference between Rose and Shoeless Joe (notwithstanding any evidence in either case). There's simply no comparison in that regard.
For the sake of argument, let's say it was discovered that Michael Jordan intentionally missed a last-second shot so his team would lose a game. Compare that scenario with Jordan intentionally missing a last-second basket in a game his team wins by 29 when the spread was 30. Both examples might be commonly referred to as point-shaving, but in reality the first example is not point-shaving at all, but rather game-throwing.
Rose is guilty of very poor judgment and has served over ten years punishment. He belongs in the Hall, but should not be allowed back in the game (i.e., managing).
In the hall, yes, in the game, no.
I think the ban should stay although I would not be too upset if in a few years they did eventually let him into the HOF. I can't possibly see him being let in to work in any capacity, that would be a true travesty and would ruin the last tiny bit of respect I have for Baseball.
Really, when it comes down to it, any player or manager who gambles at all is doing it illegally unless they are driving to Vegas to place the bets so their judgement is questionable. Now, they are dealing with people with illegal prfessions connected to who knows what organized crime figures and needing to keep that a secret. Who is to say that a little pressure can;t be provided on someone to miss that free throw or drop that long fly to ensure the winning team goes up by one more run? Anyone who is caught gambling at all should be banned in an ideal world.
I think that corkers should be banned as well.