I only have local dealers for Paradigm and B&W, so I'm limiting myself to those two brands. I'm not a picky listener: Currently, I have a Pioneer Elite 26TX receiver, Pioneer DVD player, and Mitsubishi SVHS. Sony 27" TV. RL Speakers are some floor standing Sanyo speakers that came with a stereo system purchased in 1986. The center channel is a Kenwood speaker that came free when I bought a Sony receiver back in 1996. Surrounds are also Kenwood that were free. Never had a sub. So, you can see that I have some really nice speakers! Actually, the Sanyo speakers sound good to my ears. The Kenwood speakers aren't so good -- esp the center channel wrt dialogue. I live in a 2,000 sq ft house with a "normal" sized family room. Don't know dimensions. I'd like to stay with floorstanding speakers for RL. Bookshelf speakers on stands won't be acceptible for the mains. Surrounds need to be small, so that I can discretely hang on walls. I may even opt for a 3.1 system and bypass surrounds. My speakers are for 100% HT. I could care less if the speakers/subs are musical or not. I wouldn't pay an extra dime for a speaker that was somehow more musical. The local shop had B&W 602, 601, and 600 S3 speakers hooked up along with Paradigm Atom, Titan, Micro, and MiniMonitor. They might have had the Focus hooked up, also. I hooked a Yamaha receiver and some Jazz sampler CD and listened in 2-channel stereo. Wasn't familiar with the source, am aware that I'm comparing stereo music on speakers that I'd be using in 5-channel HT, and am aware that I'm listening to bookshelf speakers even though I specified that I want floorstanding. Also, since the B&W were S3, I'm guessing that they were not broken in. I don't know what version Paradigms were, but they appeared to be older (v2 ?). B&W 602 was sort of thin and 2-dimensional. 601 actually sounded better, with a little more depth to the music. 600 sounded almost identical to the 601. The Paradigm Atom sounded on par with the B&W 601/600, even though it was smaller and cheaper. The Titan was more full-bodied and really sounded nice. The MiniMonitor (the most expensive Pardigm bookshelf they had) sounded no different to my ears than the Titan. Interesting, because before listening, I was very much predispositioned to liking the B&W. Now, I'm leaning toward Paradigm. I don't believe that I'm a discerning enough listener to benefit from the Monitor line versus the less-expensive Performance line. Thus, I was thinking along the lines of the Phantom, CC-170/270, and Atoms for surrounds. I understand that the Phantom was recently upgraded with better drivers in the v3 version? Otherwise, I would guess that they'd sound about like the Titans in a floor standing box (at least, no worse than the Titans). Correct? PRICE This store has tags on the B&W that are right on MSRP (no displayed discounts). Paradigm doesn't list MSRP on its site, so I don't really know what a "good" price is. Any advice? Sub Any reason to get a brand-matching sub? I'm not spending over $500 on the sub and, again, only need it for HT. I absolutely don't need a sub that possesses musical qualities -- just explosions and such. Discreteness is as important as sonic performance. A non-black finish would be preferable. Thanks.