A friend has a Hitachi DVD-RAM camcorder and took some video of Niagara Falls. He came back, gave the disc to me, and we watched in full DVD glory on my Panasonic RP91 his home movie of some unknown cat taking a turd. (Dunno which firmware, but it is one of the older ones.) Very nice. Too bad the individual 1 hour discs (30 mins per side) cost CAD$60 each (US$40).