Outlaw Responds to the 950 "experience"

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  1. RAF

    RAF Lead Actor

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    I was recently surfing over at the Outlaw Saloon and discovered a post that appears to address many of the issues that have been brought up here in the last couple of months. Outlaw chooses not to post on the forums and I understand their reluctance for a variety of reasons. (They even mention this in the message below). However, I feel that the words they wrote are important (and not because there are some kind words for the beta testers). So I'm going to take the opportunity to post their thoughts here for all to see.
    If you wish to direct some comments to the Outlaws directly please go HERE which is at the Outlaw site and the thread involved. Otherwise you will not be speaking to them directly since they don't participate actively on forums other than their own, which is their perogative.
    I'm not discouraging discussion here regarding this (in fact I'm encouraging it). However, don't ask a question here that can only be answered by the Outlaws since you will only be directed to the Outlaw site. Other comments that do not require a direct response from The Outlaws are fine.
    Here's the text of the message:
     
  2. Rusty J.

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  3. RAF

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    The short answer "Rusty" is that you can ask "your boss" John Morris himself and you can see what equipment I use by following the link to my Home Theater.
    The long answer is "Houston, we have a problem!"
     
  4. Rusty J.

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    RAF,
    Thank you very much for that info. I will click on the link in your post for your layout. I'm still trying to find my way around here, so I'm sorry for the stupidity of not looking at the icons in your post. As for asking my boss, I don't think he wants to talk about that stuff with me right now. [​IMG]
    How about the other testers. What kind of equipment did they use in the beta test? Do they have some links somewhere that I can click on to see?
    Thanks for helping me.
     
  5. John Tompkins

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  6. Evan S

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    John, I think what they are saying is that in the case of the newly introduced Aragon Stage One and the Anthem, Outlaw is saying with that statement that they know about the problems with the Motorola chipset and the upgrade for DPL-II, they know what that is costing Klipsch and Sonic Frontiers and they have a good idea when the upgrades will be coming.

    They are trying to make a blanket statement saying that the markup on these upgrades is significant and for $899 they are putting out a product that has these features and provides good value. They also seem to be inferring that the upgrades will not come as soon as some think (april/may?) and could lead to the same delays the Outlaw is getting so much heat for right now.

    This is just my take on the verbiage used here. I have been stating all along that I think the timeframe quoted for the Anthem upgrade is very optimistic, so if there is a delay, I will not be surprised.
     
  7. Michael Mohrmann

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    Hmmm, my take on Outlaw's comments, especially since they mentioned their pre-release price of $899 (I wonder what MSRP will be for it after the release?), is that they are offering far more value for the $ than their competitors.

    Another way I interpreted their comments was that everyone else is overpriced. They may be right, and if they are, I hope for Outlaw's success because that can only help the consumer with regards to competitive pricing. It worked in the PC market, why not with audio processors?

    Michael
     
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  9. Robert Elliott

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    Hey RAF,
    I think I myself may have covered many of those points the Outlaws made. Who is writing their copy? [​IMG] Of course, I was toasted for it and hopefully they will be understood for it. That's it - back into my no-Outlaw-discussion-cave until the product ships.
     
  10. John Tompkins

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    Robert Elliot,
    Couldn't help yourself, could you..[​IMG]
    Wait I hear footsteps.. I think it's the thought patrol,,gotta go[​IMG]
     
  11. Kevin C Brown

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    Maybe not the right spot for this, but someone mentioned it above. [​IMG]
    I guess I personally don't understand the "delay" by Motorola for their DPL II/DTS-ES solution (Anthem, B&K, etc).
    Companies like Onkyo, Denon, and Yamaha have had receivers out with this stuff for quite a while now.
     
  12. Bruce Cadotte

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    i was going to keep my mouth shut but i can't,

    i am soooo sorry that "outlaw" got their feelings hurt

    because they have not been able to put their product out

    when they said it would be out and we all talked about

    it and hurt their feelings.

    we,the members of the forum,did not keep making promises

    that the 950 would be out in 3 weeks in every month

    from Oct. to now(march)they did and they should be able

    to take the lumps for it.

    i hope it comes out this time and i can get rid of this

    marantz AV-550(it sucks-big time)and i hope no one

    defends Outlaw this time because no one else is putting

    out a great pre-pro at this price range,well no one

    has yet.
     
  13. Michael Mohrmann

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    "I guess I personally don't understand the "delay" by Motorola for their DPL II/DTS-ES solution (Anthem, B&K, etc)."

    "Companies like Onkyo, Denon, and Yamaha have had receivers out with this stuff for quite a while now."


    What DSP engines are these companies using? If Motorola, then why the delay to the companies producing processors and not the receiver manufacturers?

    Also, Bryston is slated to come out with their SP1.7 at the end of the month (if they deliver on time), and it will have DPL II and DTS-ES, despite having a Motorola DSP engine. Just one more point of confusion.

    Michael
     
  14. Bill Bradstreet

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    I thought Yamaha made their own DSP, so they don't have to answer to Motorola.

    As for Outlaw's comments. I think the only thing they are guilty of is trying to share information with what they think will be their customer set. They admitted to just this and apologized.

    They also said that $899 wasn't going to go away right away. I can't remember the words, but I didn't think they were going to raise the price when the product was announced.

    I can't wait for the 950 to grace my shelves. I liked getting updates on the progress. I didn't feel I would be constructive adding to any of the flames, so I've stayed quiet for the most part. But, like others, I just can't resist saying something now.

    I have always felt that Outlaw has been doing their best to get a product out the door. I don't believe they were trying to postpone customers' buying patterns in order to capture more market share.

    Now to go back to my hole and hope that I have a paycheck in time for my Outlaw order! :)
     
  15. JerryW

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    I have to agree with Bruce, to an extent.

    Yes, I am still buying a 950, mostly because it sounds like it will be the best sounding pre/pro for
     
  16. PaulKH

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    At least I already have my new receiver and I can enjoy it. Beats being on a waiting list for an indefinite period of time.

    Anyway, I sincerely hope everyone gets their Outlaws soon and loves them as much as the 'buzz' and beta testers.
     
  17. Serge Breton

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    [​IMG]
    going crazy here!
     

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