Outlaw 950 pre/pro

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  1. John Cain

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    Well, I've been waiting to purchase a pre/pro since mid-summer, last year.

    Anyone have any guesses as to when we will finally get our hands on the 950??

    I am anxiously awaiting it, I'm looking forward to seeing it, and of course hearing it.

    I believe it will be worth the wait.

    Take care gang,

    -- John
     
  2. Rob Curtis

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    I have always been told that they are confident it will be out (pick one) within 30 days, or in time for the next major holiday.

    Doesn't matter when you ask them, you always get the same answer.
     
  3. John Cain

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    When it St. Patrick's Day??

    Or would Valentine's Day be more likely ??

    j/k

    I'm really anxious to get it, the sooner the better for me.

    -- John
     
  4. RAF

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    John,
    I hope you are at least on the waiting list at Outlaw or you won't have a chance of getting one whenever it is released. I believe that they have so many orders in the queue that even if it were released next week you wouldn't have a shot at one in a short timeframe unless you are already signed up.
    Based on the vague specifications on their site I would say that the 950 must be on a serious listener's short list of separates unless money is no object.
    Stay tuned.
     
  5. Rob Curtis

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    John,

    Robert is right. It doesn't cost you anything to sign up, in fact I don't remember them taking any CC billing info.

    Just contact info. No obligation to sign up.

    In some ways the wait has cleared some things up for me.

    In a thread at AVS forum, a Crystal/Cirus employee has stated he thought that SACD and DVD-A would have a standard digital interface with products available by the end of this year. In fact he claimed to be working on one if I read his post right.

    Since the 950 won't be upgraded with a digital interface, according to the Outlaws, I may just give up my place in line and see what happens.
     
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  7. Kevin C Brown

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    re DVD-A/SACD digital interface:
    Maybe that will be the 950 Mk II. No, better not go there... [​IMG]
     
  8. Will

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    I think everybody knows there is some risk in being an early adopter. That's why some people may pass up the first batch, even if they're high up on the list, in order to get a unit from a later batch. Maybe by the later batches, there will be reviews which, if positive, would make buying one an easier decision than buying one based on no independent reviews.
     
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    As far as the 950 goes I agree with the last post that many, including myself, will wait for independant reviews before jumping in. Actually I'm more interested in the 770 (I almost purchased the 750) and will wait for some reviews before I jump. I can use my Yamaha 793 that has preouts for a pre-amp until I decide to go with the 950.

    John
     
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    Rob,

     
  12. Rob Curtis

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    Will, this post in that thread is what gives me hope...

    "Actually I have it on good authority that we can expect to see a standard interface _available_ at the consumer level before the end of 2002. So it's not as far off as one might think. Sorry for the lack of specifics but I am bound by NDA."

    In order for a STANDARD interface the music studio's would have had to have signed off on it.

    I guess I'm an optimist, but this is the first good news I have seen on the subject in quite a while.

    and another of his posts:

    "Let me put it this way: my previous statement applies to both SACD and DVD-A. I believe the issues outstanding can be resolved in software, so the finishing touches should be quickly implementable."

    Is even better news as it looks like we can have just one digital cable from a nice Universal transport to a DAC(s) or pre/pro. Can't wait to get rid of the birdsnest behind my equipment rack.

    It looks like this will be settled just in time for Blue laser to tempt us.
     
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  14. Will

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    Because bass management, time alignment, and lots of the other DSP processing normally done in a receiver or pre/pro can be done more accurately with fewer artifacts if done digitally rather than in analog. The signal already is digital on the CD/DVD. It is generally best to process the sound digitally, *before* converting the signal to analog. The prospect of extra jitter to a digital signal pales in comparison to the artifacts that would likely be added to a signal if DSP processing, like time alignment, bass managment, etc., were performed to an analog signal.
     
  15. Rob Curtis

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    Larry,

    For me it is getting rid of, or not having to buy all those interconnects.

    Many of us think that cables DO make a difference and are willing to spend pretty good money to get some good ones.

    There are currently 6 interconnects, 3 component and one digital cable hooked up to my DVD-A player.

    If I want to add an SACD player I have to buy a Denon 5803, or another processor that has two sets of at least 5.1 pre-ins, or I have to buy a Sony P9000es analog pre-amp.

    If I go the Sony route, I have to have 6 IC's from my current HT processor for HT passthrough, 6 IC's to the amps, 6 IC's from the DVD-A player, and 6 IC's from the SACD player. Plus the digital cable and the component video cables.

    That is a ship(t) load of cables.

    If I go the Denon route, I will be buying amps I will not be needing (built into the Denon receiver), and I would still have 6 IC's from the SACD player and need 6 IC's from my DVD-A player. I would still need a digital cable from the DVD-A player.

    Cable hell as Kal called it in the January Stereophile.

    Also if you have your pro take care of the processing, you get time delay and bass mangement. Jitter doesn't appear to be a big problem in DD, or DTS, so I don't see it being a big problem for PCM, or DSD when done in the processor.

    For me, a well made universal transport with a digital cable to the DAC or processor of my choice would be my short term dream.

    EDIT: Will, you beat me to it! I must have been posting while you answered it.
     
  16. RAF

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    I agree with the concept of processing the signal while still in the digital mode for bass management. However, until that becomes a reality then one way to handle multiple 5.1 (or more) analog signals (like from DVD-Audio and SACD) if you have separates (or at least a receiver wth the capacity to uncouple the pre/pro from the amp stages) is to use a single Outlaw ICBM between the pre/pro and the amps. Works like a charm on all signals. True, it's processing analog, but it's a nice way to cut down on wire clutter a bit until digital solutions come along.

    The 950 has bass management for its 5.1 analog inputs but since it also has only one set of such inputs you still would need a solution like the ICBM for multiple 5.1 analog input bass management.
     
  17. Rob Curtis

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    I will be the first to admit that I have been critical of the Outlaws lately, but they do deserve props.

    The ICBM is a great help to those who need it.

    Their IC cables are great for cheap $$$$ too.
     
  18. John Cain

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    I got on the list at 10:02p the night they had the sign-up, so I guess I'm in the first batch.

    Can't wait to get it.. The sooner the better..

    -- John
     
  19. RAF

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    I'm glad to hear that you signed up early for a 950, John. Also, I will predict that you won't be disappointed.
     
  20. Serge Breton

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    I got on the list after work at 3:30AM on the first night of the 950 sign up, i emailed the Outlaws and was told that i was indeed in the first batch as well[​IMG] I feel bad for those late applicants found in the second batch though, they will unfortunately be in for a wait!
     

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