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Outlaw 950 delayed 3 weeks to included Dolby Surround EX.

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Aaron H, Nov 5, 2001.

  1. Aaron H

    Aaron H Supporting Actor

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    Just got an email from Outlaw saying that the 950 will be delayed a few weeks to include the new Dolby Digital EX format. They also said this will not delay beta-testing that it will also not increase the price.
    Just FYI.
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    I thought D.D.-EX was already in existence in home equipment? Did I miss something?
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  3. Aaron H

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    Quoting from the newsletter. (I hope that's ok)
    "As you may have ready, Dolby Laboratories has announced earlier today that
    they will make their new consumer audio format, Dolby Digital EX, available
    for inclusion in products such as surround processors, audio/video
    receivers, DVD players, set-top boxes and any other device that receives or
    plays back a Dolby Digital signal. This new mode has its origins in the
    Dolby Surround EX format created for theatrical cinema applications, and
    introduced in a modified form two years ago as a part of the Lucasfilm's
    THX program. Dolby Digital EX uses information matrixed into the left and
    right discrete surround channels to deliver an additional rear surround.
    Manufacturers may implement the mode with either a single "center rear"
    channel or with two rear channel outputs that take the mono signal and
    create identical "Right Back Surround" and "Left Back Surround" channels.
    (Note that the latter is identical to the way in which the original Dolby
    Pro Logic system provided identical left and right surround channels from a
    mono surround signal).
    This new mode will be compatible with all Dolby Digital Surround EX
    releases, both those that feature an automatic "flag" that indicates the
    presence of the matrixed surround channel, as well as with non-flagged 5.1
    releases."
     
  4. PatrickM

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess this is the EX format for non-THX certified equipment.
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    Right, that is the part I also read in the news letter and I thought the D.D.EX was already included in many pieces of HT equipment? Does not the Denon 5800 have D.D. EX built in? Or is it the THX EX is a different beast all together? If so how are they different?
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    Ahhh.. that would make sense Patrick... thanks.
     
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    I thought that the Cirrus Extra Surround format would be Outlaw's proprietary surround mode for decoding Dolby Digital Surround EX in DVDs. This is confusing to me.
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    It looks like Dolby decided to cash in on EX on non-THX products, due to all of the other pseudo EX modes on the lesser lines of many products. I seriously dobt though that the official Dolby version will be much of an upgrade over the scheme Outlaw was already planning to use.
    I can't complain about a relatively short delay to add features though. Lets just hope they don't continue to find features to add.
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    I would wait another 9 months if they would just include 10.2....I don't want to have to RUSH right out and buy a new pre/pro when 10.2 comes out...
     
  13. Jack F

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    What a bunch of HogWash.
    Read the newsbrief on Dolby's site linked above.
    They are boasting about Gladiator being introduced with this new, (OLD) format.
    Someone should tell them that Gladiator is DTS-ES Discrete.
    Not matrix EX.
     
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    Oh good so it is not just me that thought this...
    Good things come to those who wait, good things come to those who wait, good things come to those who wait,.... I keep telling myself... over and over... ;-)
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    I would like to see "Kitchen Sink-EX"...DO YOU THINK IF WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND ASK FOR IT, THEY'LL INCLUDE IT TOO?
     
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    quote: What a bunch of HogWash. Read the newsbrief on Dolby's site linked above. They are boasting about Gladiator being introduced with this new, (OLD) format. Someone should tell them that Gladiator is DTS-ES Discrete. Not matrix EX.[/quote]
    Gladiator DVD is in Dolby Digital EX and DTS ES (Matrix) and also DTS ES (Discrete)!
    Wes
    [Edited last by Wes on November 05, 2001 at 07:42 PM]
    [Edited last by Wes on November 05, 2001 at 07:43 PM]
     
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    "Kitchen sink" EX???
    Ya wanna know the ONE thing they could add that would REALLY make a difference(well, to me at least)??????
    That would be a mode that can extract S-T-E-R-E-O rear(not just side) surrounds from all material...JUST LIKE Lexicons's LOGIC 7, Meridian's Trifield, or the "coming down the pike" Dolby ProLogic II-7.1
    Did you know that a huge percentage of Lex owners listen to everything EXCLUSIVELY in Logic7 ? Why the heck didn't Outlaw cut a deal with one of these guys or try to come up with a proprietary mode of their own? That Cirrus Extra is just dual mono rears, and really, all this EX,ES stuff is a big bubbling crock of s....t anyway!! And ya know that when Dolby releases DPLII in 7 channels, there's NO WAY that you'll be able to upgrade something as cheap as the $899 Outlaw 950. I GUARANTEE that you'll have to buy a new one...with "more added features" as well. Wanna bet???
    OK, relax, breathe deeply.....ahhh, that felt good.
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    I think this is actualy a good news to the consumer,and both parties involved,let me explain.
    As the press release said the format co developed by THX and Dolby,for the theatrical market,however for the home market in order to be called "EX" it must got the THX Ultra certification,which also ment that besides the decoding the rear center,it would engage a host of other things,that has nothing to do with EX.I also wonder that how much money Dolby were getting from all those certification and licencing from THX.Maybe they split the home and theatrical market evenly?
    Don't know,but let's move on.
    Now Dolby announce that they can,and will licence manufacturers to include their "own" EX decoders.Why is this a good news?
    First Dolby can cash in,the manufacturers can now use officialy the Dolby EX "logo" in their advertisement,and on their products,and no longer "hide" behind the names like "Matrix 6.1" and the sorts.This is especially good for manufacturers that never released any THX certified products for what ever reason[Yamaha, Sony,Krell,Theta],also it probably cost a lot less money to get Dolby's "stamp" for obvious reasons.
    As for the consumer now they can be confident,that they have with these new products are the "real deal".
    Also I think this has to do with the recent announcment from Dolby reagarding the "flag detection" issue.
    As you know the current EX soundtracks don't have any identifying flag in the bitstream,which will change in the future,as Dolby finally started to ship new encoders that has this new feature.I could most certainly bet my lunch,that the current "pseudo" EX decoders like the one in the Denon AVR-3801/02 receivers aren't capable to detect such flag[Dolby only,not DTS],so Dolby will remnedy this problem with the new decoder chips I'm sure.
    This was a rather smart move on Outlaw's part once again,and they keep the MSRP? [​IMG] [​IMG]
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  19. Jack F

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    Wes said -
    "Gladiator DVD is in Dolby Digital EX and DTS ES (Matrix) and also DTS ES (Discrete)!"
    Well then their must be different versions of this disk.
    Mine clearly says -
    DTS-ES 6.1
    Dolby Digital 5.1
    Dolby Surround 2.0
    Jack
     
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    Can we please get past the Matrixing-name-game-hype?
    Who here believes that there is any discernable differance (in the extra surround) between dd-ex,thx-ex,and "matrix 6.1", otehr than huge licensing fee (for the cool rubberstamp), mild licensing fee (for a cute ,well known logo), and no licensing fee(for the same as the other two)?
    By the way, that's "flag or no flag"
    [Edited last by MatthewJ S on November 05, 2001 at 09:04 PM]
     

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