OK....HSU discrepancy......

Discussion in 'Speakers & Subwoofers' started by Cam McFarland, Apr 24, 2004.

  1. Cam McFarland

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    Compusa, as we all know, has the stf-2 for $349.00,
    that is a fact.

    The stf-2 has a 200 watt amp
    the stf-2 mk2 has a 250 watt amp

    The compusa online store claims the HSU stf-2 they
    are selling has a 250 watt amp....

    Can we hold them to that & demand
    an stf-2 mk2 or get them for false advertising...lol?
     
  2. Craig Chase

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    IF you can tell the difference in blind testing, yes...

    Otherwise, buy the $349 subwoofer, make yourself a cocktail, and be glad you got a screaming deal ![​IMG]
     
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    ???

    They are mis-representing what they are selling.

    Can they be held accountable, or is there too
    much "fine print"?
     
  4. Craig Chase

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    Cam - You need to relax... It is a pretty small error, and I am sure noone is trying to mislead you.

    It could even be something as simple as someone in their ad dept. reading the specs on the new one and mistakenly posting it as the specs for the series 1...
     
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    small error [​IMG]
     
  6. Cam McFarland

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    Not a problem at all, just trying to get the most
    for my money.....can't fault a guy for that.

    Actually I made an error in my original post,
    it is the VTF-mk2 that has the 250 watt amp.


    I am SURE you would agree there would be little
    difference between the "VTF-mk2" & the "STF-2".


    At least if I dont like it, I could take it back & say its not what they advertised & possibly got out of the re-stock fee.
     
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    Cam on a date "You were not as much fun as you led me to believe... you pay the tab."
     
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    Thanks Craig, that was nice of you...[​IMG]


    There should be more consumers like you, those that
    do not use the net to try & get the most for their money.

    That way, the stores that try to screw ignorant people,
    like me (as I know little about HT), can stay in business.

    edit: not implying that Compusa is trying to screw people.
     
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    Cam - Just messing with you ...[​IMG]

    Personally, I think Hsu made a mistake doing biz with Comp USA... but do you honestly think some poor guy from Comp USA thought... "Hey, I can screw with people by saying 250 watts instead of 200 watts ?"

    Or was it a mistake ?

    I have this thing of not being quite that anal (as you said with Comp USA, not that I am saying YOU are anal)... besides, I will bet the amp will put out 250 watts...

    And for $349, you won't come close to the performance that STF-2 has...

    buy the sub and be at peace ...[​IMG]

    ps... The dating quip was funny... no matter where you're from
     
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    FWIW....the box the STF-2 comes in says 200 watts....no matter where you get it from.
     
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    Sorry guys.......total misunderstanding.....I NEVER,
    EVER was infering that Compusa was attempting to screw
    anybody.


    I was trying to get something more than
    what I paid for at THEIR expense.
    Of course it was an error, I was just hoping to
    benefit from it......

    I am just a cheap bastard!


    Does it make more sense now????


    You're OK in my book craig, & that was a funny comment



    EDIT: Oh yeah, I bought the sub & ya always think what you have is good till you hear something better.........lol
    The lows during "Saving Private Ryan" that I am
    now watching hurt my ears.....is this normal? [​IMG]


    output is set at second mark for now
     
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    Cam - We are cool... and yes, it can hurt your ears... You will run it that way for a while, then you will calibrate it so that it sounds more natural...

    Enjoy !
     
  13. Cam McFarland

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    I bought an SPL, but no test signal yet.



    A few final things, the SVS fires onto a solid
    surface (I think) I have my sub on carpet.
    Should I place a sheet of something hard underneath,
    or leave as is??


    Also, I smell "burning hair" now (best description)
    any ideas.....
     
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    Hmmm... burning hair. No ideas, but not good.

    If it smells like burning bakelite a resistor could be "cooking".
     
  15. Steve Schaffer

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    Cam,

    The owner's manual (you did get one?) recommends putting a throw rug under the STF-2 if using it on a non-carpeted floor. It's designed to have a rug under it so I wouldn't put anything hard under it.

    That 200 watts is RMS, not peak. My previous Klipsch KSW-12 with 12" driver was rated 100watts rms, 400 peak.

    If you have a disc with the THX optimizer on it, like most Disney big releases or most recent "THX certified" dvds, it might have a sub test tone.

    With the Klipsch I had my sub level set 10db "hot", I don't have to do that with the Hsu. Using the low frequency sweeps on the AVIA disc I've found that the STF-2 pulls strongly all the way down to 20-25hz, but more importantly it's clean and quick, not boomy and distorted.

    This may not be an SVS, but it's as close as you're gonna get for the price.
     
  16. Cam McFarland

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    Steve,

    Yep, got one & after your post found the part about
    carpeted floors, thanks.


    Yes, On the box it states, 200 watts RMS & 800 watts peak.

    I used the receiver test signal for a "quick" fix.
    I had to boost every speaker pretty much to the max to get to 75db, so I think I must have done something wrong, even after reading how to do it.
    I dont follow directions very well, imagine that, lol.


    thanks
     
  17. Steve Schaffer

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    Cam,

    That's ok, I'm a Toyota mechanic with 30 years on the job. Having to read their service manuals has probably made me more proficient than most in reading Japlish.

    On having to boost all the speakers in the setup menu to max to get 75db, I might make a suggestion which may or may not work depending on your receiver.

    Try turning the main volume knob on the reciever up to a louder setting than it was when you last calibrated it in the setup menu and redo it. It may be that the setup menu is adjusting up and down from a baseline established by the main volume control, and just turning that up first will get you more spl on each individual speaker without having to max out the setting in the setup menu.

    I don't know if this will work on your particular receiver but it is something I had to do on my previous Sony ES and the two Yamahas I had before that.
     
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    Thanks for the suggestion Steve. I was wondering about that.

    I set the main vol. to 52 (out of ~70) & speaker boost
    is down from +12 to +7-8 & sub is +4.

    I am sitting with spl meter aprox. 18' from fronts & TV.

    What is the output of your sub set at?

    comments?
     
  19. Steve Schaffer

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    Cam,

    My sub settings are totally irrelevant to yours due to differences in receiver output voltage to the sub out and several other factors. In other words, my sub output setting on my reciever is +.5 db, but that doesn't mean that the actual output voltage at the sub out terminal is the same as the voltage on your Onkyo receiver at the same +.5 setting. There's also the fact that there is an interrelationship between the sub out level setting on the receiver and the setting on the sub's own volume knob. The higher one is the lower the other one is in order to achieve the same spl reading at the listening position.
    So with my reciever set to +.5 sub output and the sub's knob set at about 10 o'clock I get 75db at my listening position with my main volume control set at about -15, but your results at the same settings are going to be completely different.

    I tried to answer the e-mail you sent me but it got kicked back.

    I think you're experiencing prolonged low bass you didn't have before due to a combination of factors, one of which being that the new sub is capable of reproducing material recorded at lower frequencies than your previous sub was capable of reproducing. Another factor is that sound designers for movies have a tendency to use prolonged very low bass in order to create a feeling of ominous tension in many scenes, or to make action sequences more effective.

    Try a few scenes with sudden low bass in otherwise quiet scenes, like the train crash in Unbreakable, the plane crash in Fight Club, or the plane explosion toward the beginning of Final Destination.

    Also experiment with different sub placement. Distance between the port on the back of the sub and the wall, as well as the construction of the wall is important in avoiding boomy response. If the port's too close to a typical sheetrock over frame wall it will be boomy vs the situation if the wall were concrete block. Likewise if you have carpet over concrete slab floor you will have less bass but tighter bass vs carpet over a raised wood floor.

    Hope this helps.
     
  20. Cam McFarland

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    Just saw your reply Steve, thanks.
    I am at work & will try a few of these out later.

    Thanks again,

    - Cam
     

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