Unfortunately, this is the problem with the film. It is NOT a "b-movie". It's a $105 million mega-epic that is trying to set up an entire universe with its own share of history, prophecy, and other epic staples along the lines of LotR and Dune.
There is a LOT of information in this film, and a ton of details about stuff that is more than interesting. But, I think, despite good intentions, Twohy overreached.
I'll reserve final judgement until I see a sequel...IF we see one. A $24 mil weekend does not bode well.
Scott, I love ya, and I often agree with you, and I'm not going to defend Riddick as a great movie, but I do think you're being WAY too hard on Vin. When I read this part that was quoted:
I haven't seen Boiler Room, but even if he never did anything else, he'd always be The Iron Giant to me. "I am not a gun."
Did I miss exactly why that guy kept a knife in his back?
If you kill the Lord Marshall, do you automatically get his nifty powers?
I did like the look with the faces, but it was a bit overdone, in terms of the Necromongers' choice of decor. Speaking of which, it's pretty dangerous to have all those spikes around the room. Someone could run into one and put their eye out.
Pitch Black spoiler: I guess Twohy has no problem with killing off the hot babe. The first time, it might be partly to be anti-Ripley, but now it is turning into a bad habit
Nope...only the ones who chose to name themselves "VIN DIESEL"!
You make a very good point, but if I became an actor and changed my name from Scott Weinberg to Sax Kerosene...I wouldn't be stunned if a few people joked about it.
I haven't seen Chronicles of Riddick yet, but I wonder what 15 minutes Twohy will add to the director's cut for DVD (Twohy's first cut for CoR ran almost three hours long). I hope to see Riddick sometime this week.
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Hate to say, but I enjoyed this one. I thought Pitch Black was a wonderful little sleeper sci-fi. COR was bit more bloated but all in all I felt it worked and I'm there for the next installment.
I have to say that, while not exactly the best scifi movie ever, it was definetly worth my 6 bucks and I will get the DVD if it's a director's cut. I was left wanting more plot and charachterization that I know was left on the cutting room floor. Sure it's got some flaws: Diesel's acting on occasion, shaky camera quick-cut action, silliness of the Necromongers and their quest for the "underverse," questionable or unexplainged logic (i.e. guy with knife in his back, outrunning the sunrise, etc.) But for every flaw there was equal awesomeness: Diesel's general coolness when he keeps his mouth shut, great unique production design, great special effects, Lord Marshal's cool powers, Imam (Keith David), Kyra, the repetition of the "Riddick's ladyfriend dies at the end" theme, etc.
What do you guys think the chances for a new installment are?
It really depends. I think the $24 million opening is solid and better than a lot of people expected. If it can make it to $75 million domestic then I would expect the movie to be profitable after overseas grosses and DVD is accounted for. Whether its profitable enough for a sequel- that's a whole 'nother story. If they want to up their salaries and the budget then no way. A sequel made for approx the same cost or even less (maybe a return to a smaller, Pitch Black sized film) could still be a profitable venture though.
My wife and I went to see it this weekend (she's a Vin fan) and my expectations weren't very high, but I was pleasantly surprised how enjoyable the movie was.
It's a great popcorn flick for getting out of the sun. Take your kids - they'll love the action and the brillant sci-fi atmosphere.
Definately keeps the story wide-open for a sequel.
Thanks for the backup, Chuck, but it was just a friendly little argument. Everyone knows I have my own "cheeseball genre favorites" so obviously I'm no snob when it comes to something like Riddick. This particular one did nada for me. Other than bored me.
Just remember, everyone: I REALLY like Armageddon!
The impression I got is that the Necromongers are so into desensitizing themselves from pain that the guy probably didn't even realize he had a knife in his back.