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*** Official *** Outlaw 950 questions thread

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by AVspec, May 9, 2002.

  1. AVspec

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    Thanks Serge, I did find in the manual were it talks about it (page 31, Surround Data Format Lock) but it does say: "The Model 950 will automatically set the surround format based on the signal it receives from the selected source." My 950 is not doing that. When it detects the DTS signal it does not change to that format, it stays in stereo mode.
     
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    Mark,
    Hmmm, that sounds a bit odd. My 950 swaps formats like it was going out of style[​IMG] when in auto detect mode.
    So what your saying is that if you played a CD in stereo mode, then put in a DTS DVD, it stays in stereo mode? What inputs are you using? I don't know if I missed that info earlier. I think the auto detect only works in the digital inputs (I think?). If you are using the analog inputs, it should pick stereo as the default format.
    If you're using the digital inputs, I'd say give the Outlaws a call as something may be wrong. They're much more familiar with how it should work than I am. I haven't had much of a chance to play with all of the settings yet.
    Bob
     
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    Bob, I am using the optical digital input on the 950 for my Pioneer 300 Disc CD changer. And it is very strange indeed. I either have a defective one or there is a bug in the code. I am going to mess with this more and also try to simulate the problem with the digital coax with my trusty old Panasonic A110 and see if I have the same problem. After that it maybe time to call in to the big boys! [​IMG]
    Back to the testing.... stay tuned....
     
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    Same problem using the digital coax input. When a regular CD is inserted and played back in stereo mode and then a DTS CD in inserted and played back it detect the DTS bit stream but plays the CD in Stereo mode instead of DTS mode. If you switch the surround mode to DTS and then put a regular CD in and play it back, the 950 goes into PLII-C mode. Can a few others with 950's and DTS CD’s test this and confirm for me.

    Thanks,
     
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    Mark,

    I figured as much since you look like a long time poster. I know that I've done some bonehead things so I hope I didn't offend you by asking that question.

    I would definitely say that you've got a problem. I don't have any DTS disks so I can't help out there but I suspect it's faulty.

    Bob
     
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  8. Will

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    I am unable to get my 950 to DTS decode any DTS audio-only CD. I think Mark Knight has the same problem with his 950. I'm using a coax connection to my RP-91. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Bruce, how did you get your 950 to decode DTS on your DTS audio-only CD, with a coax connection to your RP-91?
     
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    Just to clarify, I am able to playback DTS audio CD's. The 950 just does not switch to the DTS surround mode automatically like it should. It has to be manually selected and then when a regular CD is played back the 950 switches to PL-IIC.

    Will I would check the DTS bit stream output setting on your RP-91. I know my A110 has a setting for DTS and the default is off and has to be selected to on for DTS to be outputted.
     
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    not to be a smart ass but all i did was grab one of my DTS Police CD's put it in and it worked,now i will say that this is my third 950 unit(first 2 the Optical input would not lock-dropout's on my Dish receiver)so maybe you should call Outlaw about the problem they are great to work with,by the way have you tried a DTS movie and did it work?
     
  11. Will

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    You guys were right. Thanks. My RP-91 wasn't set up to handle DTS. Now it is. I'm glad it was something simple! DTS audio now works fine. Except after playing DTS when I play regular CD's the 950 switches to PLII-C not what it was originally set to, which in my case was NEO-M. No big deal. I just have to remember to switch it back to NEO-M. Thanks for your help!
    By the way, in the same menu area of the RP-91, I noticed its Re-Mastering feature which digitally converts the 44.1 kHz/16 bit CD audio to 88.2kHz/24 bit audio and has these modes:
    RE-MASTER 1: Sharp accoustic imaging. Best suited for pop and rock.
    RE-MASTER 2: High clarity sound. Best suited for jazz.
    RE-MASTER 3: Smooth and full sound. Best suited for classical music.
    RE-MASTER OFF: Original audio quality.
    Have you guys with the RP-91 and the 950 experimented with the RP-91's Re-Mastering?
     
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    Bruce, after listening to the DTS CD, if you put in a regular CD, which mode does the 950 go into to?

    Will, I see yours does the exact same as mine.
     
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    I bet recently discovered bugs like this won't be in the next eeprom version burn. Chances are those bugs won't be in the Sherbourn / Atlantic Technology clones of the 950.
     
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    "I've heard the 950 can't remember settings for specific inputs. That it has global memory only. Is this true?"

     
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    Ron,

    I posted the first quoted statement and later in the thread, I had been mistaken in that general comment.

    In a nutshell:

    - the volume settings (speakers, sub) are global and are not memorized per input nor by sound format. Note that there were comments in other threads mentioning that in DTS mode, users had to turn down the sub levels (when compared to DD). Some would have liked to have the volume memorized per format as I recall.

    - the sound format is memorized PER input. The apparent exception that if you use your DVD player as a CD transport using the digital connections w/auto detect on, the 950 will change the format to what the source is (CD or DVD). In all other cases, it will remember the last format used for that input.

    Does everyone else (who has a 950) have the same conclusion?

    Bob
     
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    Thanks, Fellas!

    I'm really not too concerned about the volume settings being global...that's fine. I'm also using a dedicated CD player, so I should be okay on that one as well.
     
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    Vince, I am sorry but I will try to give you the answers to the best of my knowledge. As you can imagine it should be pretty bleak. [​IMG]
    1. Sorry, I honestly don't know this since I don't use a second zone. I have heard it is almost a useless feature though.
    2. Absolutely. That is so key for me as well. Watching sports or playing video games is essential. My old pioneer wouldn't let me do that and it really sucked.
    3. I am not sure I understand your question and that would lead me to believe the answer is no. It is not real user friendly for switching bass on the fly. Its not too bad if you ask me, but to each his own I guess.
    4. I believe I read this awhile ago but I think Outlaw has officially said that there will not be a rack mounted version. I am only about 70 percent sure on that one. I believe it is buried in one of their many newsletters from the last year.
    5. I am pretty sure the auto detect does a good job. I still have to choose DTS on the dvd player because most dvds default to DD. If I choose it on the dvd player it always plays DTS. Now, if you put in a DTS cd I don't know what would happen because I don't own any. I would imagine it would auto detect it but I have no experience to back that up. Just guessing from my dvd and dss experiences.
    6. I really have no idea but I would be curious to find this out. Based on my knowledge I would say no, but then just look at this incomplete list and you know the extent of my knowledge.
    7. Someone else is going to have to field this one. [​IMG]
    8. Yes, T.COMP is supposed to be Outlaws version of re-EQ.
    9. I would say yes, but don't ever hold me to an outlaw date. They sent out letters to everyone on the list updating when they would be expecting their 950. I believe the consensus was it was much shorter than originally believed.
    I hope that helped in some small way considering how incomplete it was. Someone else will be able to fill in the blanks I am sure.
     

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